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Yeah, at the heart of the matter is whatever trade or complexity of trades occur, if the abstaining of bidding for JV by GWS is deemed (by the AFL) as consideration offered as part of those trades then they (the AFL) will judge it draft tampering you'd imagine.

No worries, you've raised a genuine example of how the club can try and negotiate a better position. Lets hope something like that can eventuate if we try to go down that road.

They may have been "lodged" as individual trades fine, but they were obviously made in conjunction with further trades. They would not have simply been made in isolation without any other trade consideration which is what I was clearly getting at. Your Geelong trade example is just a cluster****.

Swans Lions was not a direct trade. As for the Hawks Bombers it was part of a 4 way unless you are asserting they did it for no other reason. Ergo further trades were involved. As for Geelong that involves more than 2 picks as well.

I said 2 picks without any further trades ie a pick for a pick ala my example in post 709 which you initially replied to. Your 2011 examples involve more than 2 picks. Your 2009 examples are part of either a 3 way trade, a 4 way trade or involve more than 2 picks - non of which are applicable to my point. Swans Lions wasn't even a direct trade. My point was in the context of a simple pick for pick trade in isolation and then GWS not bidding on JV as a return favour (which is obviously a non trade period benefit). lol

When was the last time we ever saw a straight out swap of 2 picks (excluding compo picks) and nothing else between the respective teams in the same trade period?

From the club's pov you're right but you must admit the look on Vlad's face would be priceless.

We'd need to trump 2 1 pick upgrades but it's not the point. I never contended that would be a difficult task. I merely pointed out the fact that there is more value to GWS in your scenario than simply dicking us around.

Quite true, but something blatant like a pick 35 (intraded for a player) to GWS for say a pick 40+ (as an arbitrary example) would be give me great delight. Vlad would be ropable.

In your scenario Viney is taken by us F/S with our 2nd rounder which frees up our 1st rounder to take another kid from the remaining pool.

Fair enough but I doubt a football club would concur. Looking at the lottery like results doesn't come into calculation during the screening and drafting process. Irrespective of how players turn out down the track clubs value picks at draft time (or even as trading options) and even a 1 spot bump in the first round and early 2nd could be significant to GWS depending on how they rate the draft. What we don't know is how the AFLs compo pick system will work - that could effect things. It is discretionary now, pretty dodgy tbh. Did they rule out giving 1st round PPs under the new system (which we don't know about)? - I'm not sure on that. For sure. Given our standard picks would follow GWS closely we would need to bring in a seperate pick via a different trade you'd think otherwise we'd be trading picks with a massive gap.

There is actually. I would love to see the response of the AFL if such an obvious trade like that was made ie single lower pick for a single higher pick. As you say completely legal and there's nothing he can do about it. The rest of the league would be up in arms too, would be awesome.

Unless I'm missing something they absolutely get a direct benefit. Firstly, Any team which finishes below us on the ladder has the opportunity to bring their standard 2nd round pick forward by a place if we are forced to pick JV with our standard first rounder as opposed to our standard 2nd rounder. In the case of GWS what compounds this is that they also have a first round compo pick (tied to the 2012 ladder position of Adelaide) which they have activated so from their position they have 2 picks which go up a spot if we use our standard first on Jack. Given it is touted as a strong draft they would directly benefit in the scenario you raise.

Gemini I reckon.

It certainly suits our guernsey, unlike that light blue monstrosity we gave the arse to.

Yep, just like the Vectra and Calibra I beleive. Didn't Opel design the VT Commodore?

Please don't.

Correct.

RIP Jim and thank you for everything.

I agree with pretty much all he had to say.

I think (given our lack of midfield class and other deficiencies) most supporters would be in utter disbelief if both compo picks weren't activated. We'll know Tuesday though.

It's genuinely encouraging to hear how well the FD is gelling - one club is pivotal going forward. Thanks both to Cam Schwab for his time and to Demonland for providing us this platform to connect with the club and each other.

We could see a spike in #4 guernsey sales.

What's with the surge in negativity?

You just couldn't resist could you?