Dappa Dan

Bloody awful. Way worse than the Scully one, as he was never an amazing player to begin with. Laughable to see demons supporters desperately trying to claim he was never that crash hot or didn't play Goodwin's system well or that Weed was just as good or that we looked better without him... None of us own crystal balls, but when he ends up a superstar of the comp, don't act shocked. We need to get better at free agency. I don't know that we will though. We're already in a solid place list wise, and very soon will be right at the top of our cap.

Agreed. Though. It's good to have the option. Looking at how WC did it this year, I'd have liked to keep Hogan for that reason. In most areas of the field most teams have options to match up. Not too many serious KP defenders though. The OP may have forgotten TMac, but the question is a good one. How do you replace Hogan, and don't say Weed. He's not that good. Personally I'm bullish about the Fritsch, Spargo, Tracca, Melksham types. Also whoever we grab in what will be a big draft this year. No reason why you can't look to smaller players to share the load.

I was down by about 55 with Gurley (projected 20), Jimmy Graham (10) and Snead (5-10) left... and my opponent had Kupp (15-20) left. He was homefree. Gurley gets me 37, Snead 10... and Kupp only goes for 1.2.... Now I need Graham to get about 8 points... so 4 catches for 60 yards or so.

I was thinking the same thing today. I've been thinking the Eagles have been very mediocre. But 3-3 this year... you're not that far off the big-time teams. Rams along with Pats or Chiefs the class of their conferences... but still everyone else we had picked has spluttered in one way or another.

Your Avatar being a champion would be another.

I'd say more probable. It's getting like this every year. Well... put it this way... if he does get to them this trade period, that'll be how it happens. Not sure if you're joking... is it for real being telecast? streamed somewhere? What can they show? Just people running back and forth with papers in their hands? If I have to watch that McLure guy another second I'm gonna puke. That's a good point actually. You would think though that Freo would have been made aware well in advance that that would need to be the case.

SEN has been awful since crocmedia took over. This last week has been at a whole new level. Diabolical.

Well at least this thread achieved SOMETHING. Bloody hell when are we going to see some movement. All this talk, and the only players are Preuss and Kent?

Jeez @Gorgoroth how good are our boys. 49ers will be smoked by them... and you'll go into a tough 4 week stretch with Packers, Saints, Seahawks and Chiefs. Win a couple of those at least and you'll be unstoppable for playoffs and just playing for homefield.

I don't care what anyone says about how good defensive football is... A track meet like that is so great to watch in the NFL.

Good God Tyreek.

What a game...

The trade of picks came before the Mills bid. Weeks before. We went for Mills on draft day, got beaten, and then took Oliver. At the time no-one was surprised we went for Mills, he was a huge name... but likewise no-one was surprised we got outbid. I always loved the move because it put pressure on Swans and made sure they spent draft capital earlier. You have to wonder though, eh, what was going through Taylor and Mahoney's minds at the time. "Let's go for Mills, he's a jet, can't fail on that pick... but gee part of me hopes we miss out... this Oliver kid... he's got something" Not sure Trengove was a bolter either, though I'm not certain. I remember in the leadup we were all watching closely, and it was always Scully at 1 and Trengove at 2. Actually, Dusty Martin was the real bolter that year. Trengove was a bust, yeah, but not because he wasn't quality. He got off to a great start... just got ruined by injury. Robbed him of what little pace he had.

I know? I'm saying wasn't so hard to drop the insults.

Maybe it's just me, but I prefer to see the high-risk ones... I remember when this one went through, at the time (before we knew what Oliver was) there was concern we'd traded a future first rounder that might end up higher than we'd projected. I'd have to go through a lot of old threads, but it was something along the lines of needing to land at 11th or better on the ladder the season after the Oliver/Weed draft in order to reach "par." That's the real art of future pick trading. Projecting where teams will land, and engineering trades that can exploit that. NFL's obviously got a longer and more colourful history of that, which is why more examples spring to mind. In here though, a good one is the recent WC/GC one. GC traded for what they thought would be a mid-first rounder... that turned out being pick 18. WC got 20, 21, 26 and 37... that's un-freaking-believable future pick trading. I wanna see something along those lines (though not necessarily that extreme) before I get excited.

See? Wasn't so hard was it. For the record I don't have a huge problem with Mahoney. I wouldn't want to be misrepresented here. He's come a long way in a relatively short amount of time. There's certainly cause for optimism given his age. I just think the Oliver move came first from Taylor... then came the Mahoney trade. Of course it worked out well, we all know what Oliver is... but the trade, in isolation, isn't incredible IMO. Was just a reshuffling of 2 first rounders for 2 first rounders... But yes, I probably should respect it a bit more as it seemed like just another pick shuffle, and it got us the best player we've seen in a long while. My biggest concern is that when Taylor was brought in, I think it was probably more to do with an overspend by us and behind closed doors from the AFL. I know Eddie was furious to lose him. Now that we're settled again as a club and as a list, who's to say the AFL don't step in and try to get him to GC to help them. Lord knows they need it. My biggest fear for our long term health (besides the pressure on Pert) is that Taylor goes and we lose ground, list wise. But sure. I can see why Mahoney is liked.

Wow. lol

What can I say. Idiot posters + Hogan on the move + Jags ruining my multi...

- You don't want people to guess at your mental condition, then don't post drivel. It's not an insult to question a poster's mental and emotional state. You'll notice it wasn't censored, yours was. Hurling random insults at posters who have proven your knowledge of football is deficient is crossing the line. - Yes. It is. This is a football forum. The AFL has been moving towards the American system for years. Where do you think we got the draft and free agency from? It's been going for decades, unless you hadn't noticed. Throughout all American sports the trading system has expanded. We just brought in the trading of future picks, and in recent history no trade has had more press in all of sports than the RG3 one. Look. If you don't know that much about sports, that's fine. No-one expects you to be knowledgeable about these things. Took me years to get a hold of the rules of NFL, let alone the draft, future picks etc. If you're interested in AFL and where the system is headed, particularly when it comes to off season stuff... then you should know by now that the USA forms of draft and free agency are EXACTLY what the AFL is copying, and has been copying for years. As I say, no-one requires you to know about it. You can enjoy football any way you want. But when a poster points out similarities and patterns the AFL is ripping off directly from the NFL... in a single sentence, intended to be more of a punchline than anything... And you petulantly pick them up on it because you're upset they don't think Mahoney is god's gift to MFC? Then you'd better have some sort of knowledge to back up your sooking. So far you've offered nothing. Until you do learn a thing or two, don't quote me.

Wacky score this.

Damn. I'm starting to lose confidence in Jax.

Let's try and keep the insults to a minimum, shall we? Get a grip. Nobody called Mahoney a dunce. If you want to quote adults, start acting like one. There's nothing bizarre about using the example of a club trading 3 first rounders to go up from pick 5 to pick 2. That's a big-time trade that was high-risk high-reward... If you know your football, you know about it. One of the biggest trades of picks in any sport in history. Mahoney's was a trade of two first rounders for... wait for it... two first rounders. The trade got hardly any press at the time because it wasn't all that shocking. What the hell does Payton have to do with anything? Was there any trade involved there? You're gonna want to read posts before insulting people. I don't think you're even aware what you're arguing. I'll say it again, and I won't use childish insults to get it across... Mahoney's been ok so far. Nothing amazing. Nothing horrendous. I wasn't calling for his head. But I don't know that he deserves to be showered with glory based on what he's done. Now... If that makes you have another little tanty, then that's your business. But try arguing the point. Mahoney's ok. Taylor is the big one. And you go ahead and believe Mahoney is the greatest list manager in the history of the AFL if it makes you happy. Personally I prefer to see results. No, but seriously, why are you quoting me? You asked a condescending question about whether or not I knew the details of the Oliver trade, and I did? Any other education you need on our list situation, try wiki.

.... What? You shouldn't drink and post.

What the hell are you talking about... A "coup"?... Oliver was a bolter. We're not talking about trading 3 first rounders for RG3 here... Again... What are you talking about? You've come to an MFC forum and you're sceptical about the knowledge of other posters? We had pick 10, and flipped it (with some overs) for Bugg and a slightly earlier first... then traded that first and our following season's first (end result = 2015 - 8 and 2016 - 9) for the chance to pick at what ended up being 4 and 9 in 2015... 8+9 vs 4+9.... There's not a huge disparity there... There was some shuffling of later picks as well of course, as there usually is, but the white meat of that deal was the above pick inside the top 10. The recruiters went for Oliver very late in the piece. It wasn't some incredible long-planned pick up "Darling" style. I wanna see Mahoney pull a Howie Roseman before I get super excited. We're lucky we have Taylor who picks up gems late in the draft seemingly all the time. We haven't owned a trade week yet. We've done well drafting. Subtle difference.

Of course it's not a massive win. We traded plenty away to move up. With our subsequent results the season after that trade the ending value of the pics was about even. The recruitment of Oliver wasn't on Mahoney.