Dappa Dan

I reckon it's 1st for May KK... mayeb also a third thrown in. Depending on how they see their draft. It's deep, so I imagine they want a volume of picks, not necessarily just high ones. Seems like we want to draft extensively too though. So many players leaving.

Jesus turn on your radio. It's two first rounders. I look forward to your apology. Champ.

I agree with that, I could have explained a bit better. Hogan won't go to Freo and win a flag. No siree. He'll have to wait at least 4-5 years while they build a side around him. I reckon he knows that and has accepted it. And I won't say Hogan is the most important player on our list... I have Oliver, Gawn and Viney there... with maybe Lever and Braysh after Hogan... I think though that to win a flag you need so much to go right. Hogan at demons was enough to make us a serious threat... Demons without Hogan, we drop back to the pack a bit. I'm not saying we can't find quality with what we're getting, but overall it's a sideways move at best. And SO MUCH is being hoped for with Weed and TMac. I think system wise, Hogan's engine and flexibility would scare the crap out of opposition teams and supporters. SO hard to coach against. As you know, I don't buy into this idea that he's been found out... and I worry Weed will be easier to get tape on in the coming few years. Also, let's say hypothetically Hogan stays for a 4 year deal. Takes him up to 28... he kicks 60 a year for those 4 years, finishes top 3 in the B and F.... What would his trade price be then? 2 first rounders sound about right? Yes... That's another reason I hate it. We're getting that deal now. And we don't even get the really juicy period of his career to hang our hat on. Hawks lost Buddy and still succeeded I know, but they lost him AFTER he won them premierships. But sure, I get your point. It's the correct thing to do to look to the future, and the club is only doing what it can. We got Lever cos of go home factor, and we lose a guy cos of go home factor... and somehow in that we lose pick 10 and a superdraft 17... and gain 9 and 10 in a superdraft year... all told that's not too shabby... But as I say. Hogan at demons is massive. And we're a worse side when he goes. At least that's my take. lol

Yeah, look. Like I said, it's not a disaster yet... Let's say it was pick 5 (6) and 10 (11) and 10 went for May and KK (pretty close IMO) and 5 got us an Oliver clone... Oliver > Hogan as far as I'm concerned... Then it's a good deal... We have Taylor and he got him as a bolter and he's now our best player... So it's not over yet. Also we're clearing out about 8 players, possibly in anticipation of a superdraft spree... so maybe there's cause for major optimism... in about 3-5 years. My problem is similar to what @Jadedsaid. You don't get better by trading out your best players. It really is that simple. This is the argument that's come about over the years. Look at every superstar player trade... There's one big name and then there's a bunch of spuds and picks that turn into nothing. You see it again and again... For every Judd example, there's plenty of other ones that go in the other direction. I think it's an accumulation of other small aspects... The fact that you get up for GFs by timing your list build right. Jesse is exactly what you want if you're threatening for the next 5-7 years. We've lost a HUGE part of the equation that we're almost certainly not going to be able to replace should Weed, Tmac or Preuss (????) go wrong. We've had the Kelly (Salem Tyson) thing (I know we would have taken Billings, I reckon that's spin).... We had Scully... And that's another great example of being shafted. I know Scully's not great, but we got Hogan at least partly because of that deal, and now after training HIM too, he walks... will we just end up using our serious draft capital to take talented kids and then wait 4-5 years for them to leave to a rich club and smash us every year? That's what's making GC a joke... Yeah. I wouldn't say I'm emotional. But [censored] off is about right. I'd be more excited if I was able to monitor the draft this year and have a better handle on what we're getting.

It's gonna be 2 first rounders. Partly because that's all they have, and partly because in this situation it's all they're likely to cough up. I've settled my mind on that. It's what's gonna happen so we're gonna have to deal with it.

9 and 10 (likely 10+11 or 11+12) is ridiculous... that's Lever type... Not nearly enough.

The club has shown themselves to know what they're doing with recent signings and trades... I'm really hoping this was all engineered years ago when Hogan was last up for trade. Hopefully they explained to Taylor to keep his eye on the business end of the draft as we could well be picking there... And he can pull another Oliver out... If that happens, we're back in the black.

I'll say it again. Look at the rest of the thread. I've been over this too many times. You wanna say other posters have no idea, check your facts first champ. Lever was uncontracted and within his RFA period when he was traded for two first rounders. Had we waited 12 months, we could have gotten this deal. The price, even while contracted, will be two first rounders... Look around at what's being reported, read what I have, then come back and apologise in a few weeks when the trade period finishes up. These first rounders we're getting will likely fall from 5 to 6 or 7 and from 10 to 11 or 12 AT BEST. We can't get another Hogan-quality KP forward that's ready to go in 2019 at that price unless Lynch has a change of heart and chooses us. Best case scenario is we somehow get a King brother, who takes 5 years to come good if he doens't do another ACL, if he's any good at all... Where are your 4 flags in a row if that happens? Hogan is a KNOWN quantity, KPF, one of the stars of the comp already and he's leaving us. You tell me what the price is that can help us in 2019... We're in a window now. Hogan leaving, and us not getting a player of his quality back that's in his prime NOW as Hogan is, is a big loss for us. Picks won't come through for a long time yet, and certainly not in 2019, if they do at all. This isn't devastating... But you don't improve as a club by training talent like Jesse and watching it leave after 4-5 years. This is exactly why clubs like GC never do anything. They've had star after star leave just as they're hitting their prime... You're kidding yourself if you're a demons supporter and assessing this trade as somehow "better" for us... We're getting bent over. Deal with it.

Because no-one cares about the points system. The only way it's relevant is if we're GWS or Sydney or a club that needs good academy players and we need to cash in for the bidding system. Some demons supporters (not necessarily you) are desperate to say we didn't get smashed in that deal, and the only evidence is the points... and the fact we have Taylor hitting home runs with later picks like Hunt, Fritta and Spargo (a 2nd/3rd round pick in his hands is worth much more)... The second 1st rounder is still a serious piece of draft capital, especially in a superdraft. And so far, because of Lever's knee, we've had almost no return on it. Don't get me wrong, I'm still confident it'll work out... But don't kid yoruself into thinking we somehow pulled the wool over the crows eyes because we did well this season and because the picks are worth more points. Noone gives a stuff about that.

Read the thread. I've been across it the whole time. Come back to me in 8 years when we see what he's like when his career comes full term. I stick with my assessment. He's been a star since his first game he's not gonna somehow turn crap as soon as he goes to Dockers.

Worst moment as a demons supporter in my lifetime. Two firsts isn't enough. 9 and 10 is a joke of a trade for a player of his quality. We have been smashed again. Worse than the Scully trade. I hate football.

Well done lad. Might be a reflection of the sheer amount of list turnover we're experiencing this season, but still, congratulations to the kid. Hopefully he can get even better from here on in.

That was the only thing execution wise I could find. The Thielen TD where just just pushed through... You can surely put that down to injury though. Gee Goff was absolutely superb. Two to Kupp and the Woods one were just great.

Yeah that's probably the only obvious area. Maybe their OL? they certainly dominated tonight though.

That's exactly where we're at. A notch or two ahead of all 31 other teams...

Can't get over Goff... 17 less attempts than his oppo QB, and still got 43 more yards... That was a cracker of a game. Probably the biggest of the season so far.

I tell you what @Gorgoroth... That's the best team in football right there. And TBH, I think in my time watching NFL it has a shot at being the best I've seen.

He's always seemed a little nervy in front of a camera... You know he's gonna be swarmed by them...

Imagine if he didn't attend...

Goff making a play for MVP this season.

Goodness gracious. We're in for a classic here. Two great Ds who have been smashed so far. Some guy called Aldrick Robinson who's been there about a week with 2 TDs... All happening.

Jeeeeeezus. Kupp.

Gee they looked good. That's a helluva D they're playing against too.

Peters playing...

Oh come ooooooon.... You can't do that! lol