Everything posted by Dappa Dan
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Farewell Jesse Hogan
That's one of the little things I'm thinking. I reckon in the last few years Journos have lost the plot. There's more of them than players, and there's less and less content as the clubs attempt to control their own message through their own media departments. The consequence is the journos go even harder at fake news... At least I hope that's the case here.
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Farewell Jesse Hogan
I only heard that yesterday for whatever that's worth.
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Farewell Jesse Hogan
The only possibility there you may have overlooked is that Jesse is signing a big time deal, and is driving up his price... It's been done before. Seems unlikely though... And who can blame them. This is as busy and sad as it's been on here since the Scully trade. Dland has never been the same since then.
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Farewell Jesse Hogan
I don't buy that at all. If there's one thing that's always been consistent about Jesse (aside from his footy) it's that rumours pop up consistently and the club comments on them consistently. Be it at a presser, or even post match when Goody is ambushed. That's the way I see it anyway. But we'll see... Secretly of course, I'm glad you're in opposition. lol
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Farewell Jesse Hogan
That's a good point re: the journos... I think though it's now everyone. Even the respected ones are falling in line. That said, this has been alive for 3 days now... so it's still sort of early. Does say a lot though that it's drowning out a lot of other trade talk and even drowning out the GF media.
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Farewell Jesse Hogan
The silence is deafening, isn't it. Usually when these stories get released, the club reacts inside of 24 hours to squash any scuttlebutt. Not this time though.
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Farewell Jesse Hogan
I'm not a basketball guy unfortunately, but they have uber strict rules about how and when players get drafted. It's in the system that no player can take handouts (even things like free t shirts and pizzas) while they're at College. It's policed really strictly and impressively (The film: The Blind Side goes into it a little). In fact a lot of College players play College and never catch on at professional level because they find working for a paycheck doesn't fulfil them. Most NFL purists would say College football is better to watch than NFL. And to some degree I agree. In terms of being drafted outside the College system, yes. You can be picked up past a certain age. My team, the Eagles, just picked up Jordan Mailata who used to play for the Rabbitohs in the NRL but was considered a bit too bulky. He's an absolute physical specimen and has already caught on, and looks like having a career in a really important position. So it does happen. But TBH, it's the richest league in the world. If they can find difference makers anywhere outside the draft system, it's rare, and they tend to be their equivalent of our "rookies." They're alled "undrafted free agents." Come on over to "Other Sports" Forum and join in on the tipping. It's a growing thread. Surely you can't ignore the amount of smoke this time. If he just came out and signed, saying "I dunno what the fuss was about, I was never leaving the club"... wouldn't that surprise you?
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Farewell Jesse Hogan
Jeezus. There's been a draft in the AFL as long as I've been alive. Yeah as we've spoken about before, the early recruiting age plays havoc with drafting and makes it more hit and miss. The comparison to NFL drafting for example, is a good one. First rounders get traded with a heavy value, and rightly so, you're picking up players who are far closer to known quantities. Things like that are what we can learn (as fans) when it comes to assessing a player's value in terms of picks. Completely agree on the 3Xtop 10... It won't happen of course. But I agree with the price. I was saying 2 firsts and a super quick skilled midfielder as my price... only because I want some sort of known quantity as we're in our window now.
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Farewell Jesse Hogan
- That's what worries me. He's an out and out star. Simple as that. - It's looking likely now that it's just not up to us. Contracts don't count for squat anymore. Players get to where they want/need to go. You should brace yourself for the news that "if we can" isn't a reality anymore. We got Lever in exactly the same way. This is the way of modern footy now.
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Farewell Jesse Hogan
Were are you getting this "let" thing from? Did the Crows "let" Lever move to the demons? Players leave clubs all the time to return to their home state. There's not "letting" in it. If he's going to leave anyway, you WANT him to tell you a year in advance, while he's contracted, so you can get a fair price for him when he walks. Jeezus.
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Farewell Jesse Hogan
So we keep a malcontent on our list who'll disrupt the side for all of 2019, and in the end sign as a free agent with Freo anyway, and all we get is a late first round pick in return? No. If he's going anyway, we make the smart business decision and get what we can, while we can. Look... I'm not saying I've given up hope that their meetings over the coming days lead to him signing a 6 year deal... but it's looking increasingly unlikely. You need to come to terms with the fact that Jesse is possibly already out the door. If it's true that he is, holding onto him for 12 months will do nothing for MFC.
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Farewell Jesse Hogan
He's reportedly not signing with us next year. We can't keep a player for 2-5 years who isn't signed with us. lol....
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Farewell Jesse Hogan
So overvalued. Back 10 years ago people thought all drafts would end up like the Judd/Ball/Hodge year, where an early pick is a sure thing. As time's gone on though, we've seen how drafts are supposed to work in US sports... And we can't quite get that effective (recruitment age way younger). Nowadays if you have a known quantity, it's much easier to pull the trigger on an overs trade. Not only that, but we've seen so much value come from mature age players in third and fourth rounds... Picks aren't what they used to be.
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Farewell Jesse Hogan
That's exactly what I reckon a Hogan trade now will be seen as in the future. When he signed last time, it was supposed to be years and years. 4+... Then when he finally did it was much shorter. From what I can understand, he also timed it for the new CBA to take advantage of that. The longer I go the more I think this was engineered years ago. But it's only now it's being leaked to the public.
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Farewell Jesse Hogan
I've been wondering about that. the opinion on May is wildlly divided... At least with Lever you had most people rating him as 2 firsts, through to a 1st and 2nd... I've heard some say May is worth only a third. Others say he's worth pick 5... I'm inclined to go with a straight up pick 5. Lever was 2 firsts because he's a class player, AA and has 10 years left. May is still quite young (26), is a proven KP back (they're rare). Also his market value is climbing with all these other clubs keen on him. If Dons offer a first rounder and change for him, then we may need to up our offer.
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NFL
Hopefully the Eagles will still be thereabouts later in the year. That will be game of the season.
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NFL
Seahawks, Chiefs and Saints.
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NFL
I KNEW you'd say that. They're another 5-6 injuries from being brought back to the pack. Donald and Gurley are #1 in the league in their positions. No-one can figure out McVay, Goff is quietly achieving... WRs are flying all over the place. They're in superb shape.
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St Kilda
No disrespect to the OP... Good start to a thread and well researched. But if you're missing out on GFs because of a couple of games, close ones, then it's just part of the maths of the thing. We lost a handful of close games this year, and didn't win any close ones. It's a statistical anomaly that will correct itself. There'll be years in the future we go 12-10 and win 4 close ones, lose 0 close ones... Does that mean we're worse? Being clutch is something they talk about a lot in US sports. The games are designed within the rules to always be close. AFL isn't like that. We were unlucky to not be top 4 this year. Let's not forget though that we were out of finals last year. Next year we'll improve again. It's the way of things.
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Farewell Jesse Hogan
It's such a load of garbage isn't it. Lever was worth 2. Jesse is worth more. It's that simple. Yes. No. It's clear now that it's Jesse's management who's come to the club, not the other way around. It's also absolutely believable. We took a risk and mini-drafted a KPF who worked out exactly as expected... Of course we're not going to engineer a trade. It's come from Jesse's camp.
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NFL
@Gorgoroth https://247sports.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/ContentGallery/NFL-Super-Bowl-LIII-odds-each-team-Week-4-121738196/#121738196_2 There you go Gorg. Even the bookmakers... I don't think the Eagles were ever even close to this much of a fancy. Your head must be spinning.
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Farewell Dean Kent
Ugh. Saints 3rd probably is a bit rich... I'm thinking Kent and swap their second for our second or something like that.
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Who would MFC take if given a top 10 pick in 2018 Draft (via Hogan trade)?
Yeah. Exactly what I was thinking til this crap started. I’d be happy to never see another first rounder for the next 5 years of it meant grand finals.
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Who would MFC take if given a top 10 pick in 2018 Draft (via Hogan trade)?
Yeah, I do love a future pick though. If you’d have taken one from someone lol the crows last year expecting them to be top 4 again, you’d be laughing all season watching it climb.
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Who would MFC take if given a top 10 pick in 2018 Draft (via Hogan trade)?
This sucks. Part of the fun of draft is the months leading up, deciding who you want, thinking about it. We didn’t even get that.