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Sue.. I susoect yhe relevant info was never on an EFC drive. Best look ay wherever conducted the off site program. To me this all goes to the design of the program ....ie the instigators knew to keep it away from harms eye !!!

I think quietly the AFL is out of its depth. They are severely compromised and realising they arent in control of eventualities adopting the stay low say nothing position. The AFL is a trifle scared of some other authority reigning over its field of play. The little goldfish bowl has been usurped by a larger pond.

it may not be that hard either Ernest...they simply have a path of necessity to walk...the destination may be well cast .

Its not only Wada/asada in new territory but the AFL too. I can appreciate the Leagues overseers have the comps welfare to consider....but at the expense of probity ?

suggest you might actually reread what I wrote..and not what you think I did..just suggesting :0

I dare says it also applies that if Essendon cant prove it had any other form of Thymosin ...the game is over. Its actually requisite upon the EFC to do so. ASADA , as I understand it dont have to put a smoking gun in anyones hand, just show that beyond the balance of probability and to the comfort of the tribunal's understanding that in the absence of anything to substantiate otherwise then it must surely therefore be the TB4 which was used. if Essendon could have proven anything otherwise they would not be where they are today.

OK...lets put it nicely for you Wolfy There are no records of anything legal being used.

or no records of anything LEGAL being given The records that did exist dont suit the Clubs stance so therefore , amazingly, disappeared...i.e dont exist. In plain-speak the club can not/will not produce any records of a defined program utilising legal supplements.

not funny if youre lazy.just saying Theres much out there to find...we do my search..same paremeters...4th item Charges AFL.com

because they were playing in sanctioned competition it actually has nothing really to do who you play for...The transgression is made as an individual athlete.

what has ( for mine ) happened is bleedingly obvious Dank, Weapon and Hird organised their little party, and for it all to happen 'off campus (sts) " Records and such were kept at arms length to the club. so they had plausible deniability about therir existence. So neither Ziggy nor Reid or anyone else for that matter , not involved in the inner circle ' would be aware or availed of the info. Now the accused parties all say in cohesion ( and collusion ) ...I dont have them, never had them, didnt exist

Of course there were records......what next....they dont keep score at their games ??

Put "EFC" "Supplements" "No records" into search........any number of refernces

Essendon have said...there are no records

or...he does have records but they dont exonerate anyone !! He thought Tymosin was ok...remember..just saying If his records actually highlight what was taken and they arent Kosher...well..... he continues his line of bullshlt. Hes playing the strawmans defence !!

Of course there were records . The stance is nothing more than a take ( inversely ) on the classic; "The dog ate my homework !!" except he we have records disappearing when they did exist as opposed an excuse for something that didnt !!

probably.. keep in mind they take what they do seriously

Cowboy or not... Anyone trying to understand the workings and effects of 'anything' will NEED some form of record in order to have date from which to extrapolate. Its entirely implausible ( to me ) than none existed

doesnt matter who owned the data... whos not going to keep a copy for performance evaluations. etc. He could point to its contents for use to push his barrow with other potential clients.... just leaving off the ol' you know...EFC label. He's got/had a copy...bet on it.

sorta dispels any doubt....not that there was any edit... love this "In the early days when we first started ... any player who could not say what we were giving them, what they were taking it for, what the benefit was, they weren't allowed to take it or have it until they sat down and I went through that again," he said. Dank said he and then high performance manager Dean Robinson enforced this until players were "coherent with that information".

For the most part nearly all of lala land live I either denial or abstract arrogant superciliouness.

Not so much from the readings of Blitz..as im not registered to do so... but just in general lide I also run up against this strange contradiction, that being otherwise intelligent folk lacking clear understanding of the situation. My own step son...very clever..very successful and normally a sound thinker just doesnt grapple with the reality and facts of the situation at all. We dont talk about this but do otherwise about footy.We're supposed to be going to the NAB game...we'll see..lol

The media AGAINST the Bombers !!!! Pfft. Pretty funny

which says to me they certainly know more than they let on to and it cant be all happy families at Windy Hill despite their propaganda. The crack cant hold forever.

nothing will be credited further than the final reissuing of the SCN. Watson and Fletcher are likely to be further disadvantaged having played