beelzebub

I also bet London to a brick that we will not trade pick 4.

I doubt it too...but there are options.. Should always be at least open to offers.

How can people say this isn't a big deal when everyone went off at Sylvia for his thing????

I couldn't care less if they got in punch ups all the time, there just blokes, I got in a fight 2 weeks ago. But why isn't everyone jumping on there case like they did sylvia? WEIRD.

Anyway, go Rivers!!!!

by all accounts the Dees are the victims..( just defending themselves ) hardly the same situation as Sylvia..is it !!

:D

Chopper > 4 scary bastards

Who the hell would want to start a fight with him?

just pull their pigtails ...theyll scream like little piggies !! lol

Now..Erik...there's a Viking !!! pmsl !!

another grab from Paul G says happy to report the three boys are all well and have are heading off to Croatia. Apparently less dangerous spot??????

Iraq and Afghanistan might be the destinations of choice soon !!!

So do we still want to give Brock the captaincy

dunno...did he smack the bastards good and proper ??

i reckon if MFC were clever, they would use the fact that Adelaide and Port Adelaide are desperate to gain pick 4 so they can pick up Ebert.

because the demand for pick 4 is very high, MFC could get something really awesome for it.

What if we gave away pick 4- in return gained pick 8-10 plus a highly rated youngster...thatd be great.

this might be a very sound way to get an instant effect for a draft pick...

Maybe pick 4 and 21 for someone like Ebert and the Crows pick ..is 10 ?

and so I go back to the point. If he's injured..or carrying an ijury that persists.. what is his true value going forward.. thats he's position, and that also of the club..going FORWRD.

A primary forward needs to kick 3-4 a game, a seconday around 2-3.. so which was he?

I concede he is still an excellent player when fit. I would still happily grant him a 2 year deal ( if he is appraised as a low injury risk going forward )

He just seems very inconsistent on the 2nd efforts.. but that may wel lbe a result of fitness as opposed to endeavour and effort .. same result though isnt it !

wasnt injured all year.. and Yes..when inured.. he is not full value, how can he be.

If fully fit he ought to be capable of 50-60 goals a year..is 2-3 a game too much to ask for the 2nd up forward.. does he do that ?

Look, I won't be devestated if he leaves, but given how many changes will take place over summer, it could be good to have a familiar face, especially for the players.

Jaded.. I fully understand this sentiment .. however I wil suggest this is exactly what we DONT want. its time teh players had a very rude awakening to what is NOW.. its time for them to awaken to a New Order.. and the less of the old thats around I feel the better. They need to all earn their bikkies. The less 'familiarity " the better for mine.

to put it in a nutshell.

Robbo when fit..is brilliant

Robbo when injured is next to useless !!

Put all the rosey coloured glasses away folks.. What WILL he be going forward.. not what WAS he in review !!!

Thats the question

or continue the misguidance of the past...

Pretty much what occured to me also !!

I wish Neale all the best where ever he goes.. he's given and deserves a warm welcome whenver he likes ( socially ) . In this vein ( just in case you were wondering where I was going with this... you were werent you !! lol ) I see Riley also. To me he's a Danniher ver 2.1b. Riley and Danniher are like "Windows" to a club. ( all shiny shiny , bells and whilstles.. and constantly disapponts when you rely on it ) I want something more like a "Linux" and thats what Bailey and whoever he brings in will be I feel. Nothing quite so glamourous and shiny .. but something that works !!

I dont think it did with Mark. Personally he would have earnt far more brownie points if he had coached us to a better draft selction.. but thats by and by now. what ever Riley was bringing to the equation it just wasnt quite right. If he stays ..he stays.. If he goes Im happy for new eyes and thinking to take up the slack.

I'm pretty sure Mark will move on..and like Neale.. I wish him all the best and thanks for the effort

Being uncontracted, can't he just walk free into the Pre-Season draft.

sure can !!

Id be very surprised if Riley remains there. After many years at Deeland Im sure he may want to find fresh pastures. it can never be easy to remain and work under someone who has beaten you for a position, esp now he has tasted coaching at the top level. Now I suppose the same may be leveled at Connolly but he will have an important role to fulfil in the footy dept.. Riley is a bit like a spare shag on a rock right now.

I just feel Riley still represents an era that was soft/wrong.. and Im happy enough for him to move on.

you know what they say...3's a crwod !!

I also hope that Riley stays, his knowledge of our list will help Dean enormously.

hardly any REAL reason to keep a "coach". Coaches need to be effective. Just knowing who x y or Z is hardly commands the bikkies !! I have a suspiscion that Bailey has already built a far more realistic appreciation of most of the ( to be retained ) players than many people who should know better.

Nupp.. let Riley go is he wants... no big loss...That was then...this is now

Robbo efforts this year were on the back of two hauls against Carlton and a bag of 7 against Collingwood where their backline was diminished. Otherwise he has been ordinary, injury prone and increasingly playing for himself.

This is exactly the point. We have to be careful we make a deal going forward that is realistic upon realisable expectations and that we dont slide back into the abyss of past romantic style negotiations. Ftr I like Robbo. He brings many elements toa game , first he can kick goals( well at least its provern ) he will command a decent defender and he can be elctric...all good stuff !!! on the counter balance as described above by Rhino its probable his best days are behind him ( well on any consistent basis ) I am really getting edgy with players prone to injury and any reliance in team set up on them only to have then dissappear. By all means give him 2 as that will probably see out his useful career. otherwise bring on the trades.

Im sure should Bailey and Co sit down with him and talk "Reailty" all things will smooth over.

An indication of how hard nosed this team is going to be from now on will ( to me ) be demonstrated by how we tackle our own team, let alone the opposition

true JJC.. they may not put much on after 21.. and as you allude will vary from person to person... but if the lad is only 17...he's still growing !!

Think I'm over 195cm ruckman, he wouldn't grow that much...

every chance he'd make 2m plus .. ya dont stop growing as a guy til approx 23-25

It would be unusual in any field to be overlooked for a position and remain under the incumbant. You 'd have to think he will move on. Still time will tell

I wonder how many of the remaining have sat up and noticed ?? Must have a couple of them gulping with anticipation !! lol.

How much better in 2008 I dont know, but we're going to be a differently "mindsetted" team

A few mind be feeling a bit ansy come trade week ..hehehe

and about bloody time !!!!!

Keep in mind some are being kept as possible trade fodder

they're called 'trade possibilities' for a reason, hangon.

Unfortunately you only have to equate a name with the notion of tradability and some will come running at a gait with foot in mouth lambasting anyone who suggest more than a handful might be tradebait..

As DA suggests..youre simply tagging them ( whomever is looked upon as tradable ) as a "POSSIBILITY" as opposed to some others who you may not want to put onto the table. I tagged more than a dozen...They're just possibilities. In reality ANYONE is for the right deal.

strangely the only comment I can come up with is... I'm surprised that Neaves is delsited.

I await further rumblings...More must be to come in some fashion...surely thats only the entre !!

The thing is you wont get rid of that many...as there simply wont be that many deals to go around. But the point is...they are there to be traded. All things on their merits

There wil lbe opportunities for th eclub to deal at various levels of ability and experience. It will just depend on the direction this club wants to go>

as an afterthought...Id change everyone if it would contribute to a Premiership...i really dont care who plays..who wears the jumper..its irrelevent to me.

So whether 5 go..10 go..Im not concerned No ones going to convince me we have 44 at present who will win us a flag.

absolutely QC..with probably only one exception The idea that its always really open slather just doesnt sit well with some.. but youre dead right

Clint Bartram... Keep, but assess injuries going forward

Matthew Bate ...Keep

Daniel Bell.... Keep

Simon Buckley.. Keep ( for moment )

Nathan Carroll... Retain but trade if viable return

Aaron Davey.. . Retain, evaulate at years end.. possiblke trade going forward

Lynden Dunn.. Keep

James Frawley.. Keep

Colin Garland... Keep ( evaulate for trade in year if not up to scratch..or good fit for us )

Simon Godfrey.. I year..then delist

Brad Green.. Keep..or trade

Ben Holland... Keep I year

Mark Jamar Trade

Paul A. Johnson Trade

Nathan Jones Keep

James McDonald Keep

Brock McLean Keep

Brent Moloney Trade

David Neitz nothing to say ...lol

Michael Newton Keep

Ricky Petterd Keep

Jared Rivers Keep

Colin Sylvia Keep ( evaulate maturity at years end )

Isaac Weetra Keep...for now

Matthew Whelan Trade, or I year

Adem Yze ... Trade, keep if cant

Daniel Ward Trade, delist

Matthew Warnock Keep

Ryan Ferguson Trade

Heath Neville delist

Cameron Bruce.. Trade or keep

Chris A. Johnson... Keep

Travis Johnstone... Trade or Keep

Brad Miller Trade

Russell Robertson Trade or keep

Paul Wheatley Keep

Jeff White Trade or Keep ( unlikely to be able to be traded as reaoity though )

Rookies

Jace Bode... not overly impressed. ..leave as rookie if no one to take place

Daniel Hughes .. leave as rookie, delist if better replacement

Shane Neaves.. promote to list

Daniel Hayes..delist