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In a nutshell the club just needs to be almost brutally realistic. As any business will , you will stocktake your assetts and make some hard calls on their real values, not the heartfelt perceived ones and if required effect a massive write-down. Wheels would be a case in point for sure. May I suggest not too far behind is Beamer ( heresy I hear the calls.. clear headedness I'd retort!! )

The ol' grey mare aint what she used to be...and neither are some of the colts. its just reality. Im all for a fire sale and clear the decks. Yes Wheels mightn't fetch much in trade.. but better that than nothing going forward. Somer might accuse me of rounding up the injures and putting them in frontof the firing squad. I can understand the sentiment. No one wants to be the bearer of bad news, no one wants to be 'unthnankful" ..being un-matey etc...all i can utter is the argument of TEAM versus individuals.

Its brutal.. Its needed.

possibly...some are just nom de plumes Id suggest..but conced your point. ( please place ''' ,,, and ; and (caps) to suit !! ) lol

3 - chiliboy (Should be due to arrive soon)

lol... got to agree.. love the turmoil he brings to trade/draft weeks.. cant wait..got my chair , pie and esky al ready !!

so thats 3 Chilliboy

2 to Demonland... those epics deserve something...lol

1 appiece to Rhino And Jaded....they can share.. lol. bout the only thing they would ...likely...hehehe...gotta love an opinion !!

many special mentions could be had.. ( but I wont)..

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someone correct me if I'm wrong ( what am I saying..they'll be lining up !! ) A player can stil lbe traded inside the first 12 months ..IF...IF!!!! They agree to it ?

I wonder how TJ feels about this question being asked at the coaching interviews?

Quite possibly he may come away with a clearer understanding of his "position" and the realities of football life.

To translate...he may extractus digit !!!!

Dont we all have a floating bone in our groin Jaded excluded

line of the day !!! pmsl

Was a very disappointing Zebs yesterday for sure. I know this will sound ridiculous but some played as if they wanted to be somewhere else !! Williams got caught flat footed . His usual flair deserted him. Juice ought to have been moved up to CHF with the 'ok' to roam...at least until this pulled the game back our way.

Some very VERY poor decisions made as a team. Some pretty good ones too...but lost amongst the medicority of the day. Goal kicking was... well.. there wasnt really much real goal kicking was there.. accuracy was attrocious. Cost the game really.

not impressed with Bode. Seems out of depth. Am suprised BRB had him in the best to be frank.

Sandy seemed to lack pace yesterday.

all that...and sometimes you just have a bad day...!!!!

NB seemd much better at using the ball.. They got a sniff that the Zebs were on the ropes as early as halfway through the 3rd I reckon.

trades are relevent to what you GET !! if what you could get represents a better value 'fit' to the NEW team.. then you trade. If you dont...you dont trade. Its not really that hard to digest

floating bone ?.. well thats a new one. its almost irrelevent what he DOES have.what ever he does ACTUALLY suffer from its not doing him any good. I cant for one moment fathom the logic of playing one of your stars knowing its causing havoc, thats almost on the border of criminal neglect ( let alone a disturigly short sighted approach ).

But its not the issue at such ...its the result; he cant play out games. He cant play at 100% even when he is playing. None of this adds up to a 'quality' selection in a player.

Didnt expect everyone to see this as it is.. please to continue

Well probably as per usual some of you may utter.. here come's the looney !!

I for one want to put all this Judd cr@p to bed !!

There are a number of things to consider.. and do this in a clear and rational way, not the way some of you carry on..

he's good.. damn good on days.. but these days he cant play out a game. He is struggling and getting worse.

Some would sell their first born if he were to don the red and blue. Going forward he's not really worth a zack...well at lest not the million zacks he might get off of some unsuspecting desperado.

Can we at least agree to be honest and clear in any appreciation of what he would bring ( even in the most remotest chance he were not to resign with Weagles ) . We must learn from our past abberations of common sense at this club, that all that is shiny is not necessarily gold !!. We got done with Hollywood, with Ooze to name but two. We let the rosey mists cloud our judgement. In light of recent appointments it sems we are getting cleverer.

When adding anything to the recipe you have a simple evaluation; is it an assett or a liability ?

Im going to suggest that to even for one moment chase Judd is to invite a mess. He would to me be a liability, in the same way Beamer is. Thats reality.

I for one would like to put all this nonsense behind us and look to better value and more hardlined decisions come players.

let the slings and arrows commence !!!

My only concern is that people will judge who is the best by who they agree with.

yep...here we go...a me too .. a mr/mz popularity contest...blah blah.. Ppl can get all warm and fuzzy together, have a big love in.

Debate often occurs because someone has the temerity to oppose a popular opinion. If not for them...all will go to hell ( as is all demons goal ); such is popularism.

2007 has gone...we're into '08 ..didnt ya know !!

8 Tassie Johnson.. probably a bit too far back huh !! lol was Yeatsies too.. so that dispels sorta

I know its very early...and with starvation of success its al ltoo eassy to clasp at straws; but you really get the sense that this guy is fair dinkum and not just trotting out al lthe old tired proverbial cliches !!

cant wait tfor the trade and draft to see where we're heading

oh yeah...something about some finals first...bugger..lol

a bit like... well its end of season.. and here's ya tickets to the trip.. some are return..and Heath.. a word with ya mate !!!

thanks for the effort Krazy

all good stuff.. :-)

Part of the team Melbourne objective and benefits is vastly reduced overheads due to shared resouces.

Yes we pay a pittance at moment for our facilities.. given the facilities thats ALL you'd pay surely !!!!

You want to go forward...you invest ..simple as that.

The MFC board wil no doubt make a few furphies.. bound to... any organisation will hit fouls as well as homers. But if you dont make a concerted effort to address shortcomings ( and incomings..lol ) then you are dead in the water.. all over red rover !! The board has seen some semblance of opportunity and I will imagine have done some looking into it before committing...and well are rolling the dice.

nothing ventured , nothing gained

I dont think the board seeteh Chinese experiment being tehe be al and save all solution.. .just part of set of endeavours and initiatives.

anything Bailey does will be aimed at beyond next year. White and Neeta are more than likely non starters in 09, so no point getting too carried away building an attack around players who wont be there !! is it ??

I think you'l lfind the Chinese initiative is aimed far beyond the thousands of Chinese students here. its aimed at....CHINA !! you know that place with more than a handful of people ...lol

MFC have tours lined up for commercially orientated types. They are looking forward to th exhibition game to be played at some stage in China..in Shaghai I think.

The Chinese are sport mad ( spectating etc as well) if you could even get a little bit, of a little bit, of a little bit of the Chinese market for following sports of foreign codes etc ...then you are looking at a sizable number. The city of Melbourne has a reasonable profile in China ..as big if not bigger than Sydneys actually. If the club can piggy back this in some manner, well it could generate a bit of interest and a bit of moula !! :-)

its a balance of the ledger thing isnt it ?

What do we have. We have a number of midfielders and on ballers, probably a couple too many hff/hbf's if all fit. ( granted..if all fit ) but we have a bit of depth at the so-so level. Other teams may perhaps see a better fit for some than we do.

What do we need ( like yesterday ) A proper Ruck ( in todays climate white is more a ruck follower in the old mould, just not big enough for the centre bounces anymore ) ..and we need a full back. ( sorry I rate Carroll as a backman..just not as full back )

We need a ruck more urgently ( by a smidge )

answer...trade..scheme, kidnap...Im not really all that fussed

Correct but back in those days the coach did all of the jobs which more than a dozen people in football departments do these days.

fortunately that was then and this is now

but..Chris isnt coaching !!

Something else that gets me excited is the Chinese initiative.

The club needs to recruit new support, and this is doing it.

Did anyone else see the hundreds of Chinese students, with there Australia Post showbags attending the game - many wearing Melbourne 07 scarfs?

I must admit this is indeed intriguing. A few of us we re discussing this a few years back on this forum. funny thing was most thought it a joke.. but its not.

I dont know who it is ( from MFC ) thats reading all this.. but you're more than welcome to continue to nick our ideas !! hehehe.

I still reckon there is somethig to be had with a sort of "International" membership. All sorts of things you could include.

A sshowbag of sorts. The usual stuff..( probably made in China...lol ) Scarf / Hat.. that sort of thing. maybe even a cheapy ball.?? Give them a voucher for one or two home games should they get to our shores. Give them a decent discount on some Offical goodies.. Seats, tops...trackies etc. .

This needs to be aimed at the new markets...These being China.. Japan ( never a wackier sporting nation to be had !! ). Africa needs to be looked at.. but in a more sponsoring manner.

There are only 21 Million in Oz...there are f'n Billions out there !!!!. The internet can bring target audiences and potential markets to your doorstep.

Melbourne has a Unique Brand.... we are Melbourne ))))))) no one else ever can be. This is our leverage going forward. With the Melbourne consortium coming online its really looking exciting.

love to know what the club is cooking up.

Keep up the efforts MFC !!

Congrats Jonesy... ya didnt get the choccies but at least some due recognition. Thanks and look forward to a stellar 2008

going to be very interesting to see what the total football dept line up will look like for 08