whatwhat say what

whole thing stinks

6 minutes ago, TheoX said:

Surely we won't trade him for 5 and 23, that's way below what we paid for him when he was unproven. May is 27 and worth nowhere near pick 5.

it's just bizarre, isn't it

hogan keeps getting talked down and ryan burton keeps getting talked up; meanwhile hawks are giving up a pick in the mid-50s for $cully

i find the whole thing such a net loss

as far as i'm concerned, the bigger winner out of the trade - neale / hogan / may / pick 5 - is freo, as they get hogan

when it comes to transcendent talents, he's the standout of the three existing players

It’s all being set up for the live telecast on Wednesday 

All deals will have been signed off and will simply be ratified on the live telecast

Whole thing is so tedious 

Just now, EnterTheDragon said:

That is very interesting. So here we have yet another football commentator, this time more respected than Langdon, Nixon and others, none too subtly alluding to ‘off field issues’ regarding Hogan.

No other reason for Watson to say that.

on what planet is watson 'more respected than langdon, nixon, and others?'

he swims in the same sewers as them

11 minutes ago, GCDee said:

Am I going crazy but in what world is Lachie Neale worth more than Jesse Hogan? 

Like seriously.... 

1 is a decent mid who is an accumulator who has happened to win 2 B & F's at a rabble club whilst never coming top 10 in the Brownlow. 

the other is a 23 year old key forward who has the best numbers at this age as any key forward in the league. Once in a generation player. The thought that Freo will get Hogan & Change for Neale makes me want to spew. 

I simply do not get it....

me either @GCDee

but it seems that this is where it sits

from my perspective i wanted 5 and 6 for hogan

instead we're losing him for...not a great deal

i'm guessing the deals essentially hinge on beams trade happening

my guesses are:
- beams and 2018 third round pick to pies for 2018 first rounder (currently pick 18) and future first 
- 5 and pick 18 from bears to freo for neale
- 5 and pick 23 to melbourne for hogan
- 5 to crows for 8 and 13
- 8 and future third to gc17 for may and kk
- may and kk for pick 5, future 3rd rounder

net results:
- pies get beams and the filth's 2018 third rounder
- bears get neale and pies' future first
- freo get hogan, pick 18
- crows get pick 5
- gc17 get 8 and mfc's future third 
- melbourne get may, kk, pick 13 and pick 23

hogan was named at chb in the 2012 u/18 all oz, but he played forward for wa and was dominant in several matches

he's an absolute jet and i for one hope we don't lose him

3 minutes ago, Grand New Flag said:

Hogan staying is by far the best outcome for the Dees. Jesse is a gun, he is well on the way to being a generational forward. We were always going to be a weaker team next season if Hogan left even with May and another first rounder. Further the rule changes are to Hogan’s advantages.  Life just got a hell of a lot easier for the power forward.

With Weeds coming of age the Dees have the luxury of moving Tommy into the backline on the rare occasion we come up against 3 power forwards like WC. Alternatively we can play 3 power forwards or move JH into to midfield. However, most likely is the endless rotation of the forwards including Gawn like we saw last season. This confused the opposition and continuously allowed the Dees to find a mismatch in the forward 50.

The footy gods have smiled on us. The rule changes are a massive advantage to those who have dominant ruck, clearance and power forwards. They are a massive advantage to the teams that are already very offensive. With Jesse we can win the Premiership next year. In fact we should be favourites. Richmond’s poor clearance work will be a bigger disadvantage with the new rules.

this

the only caveat i'd add is that speedy wingmen / ball-carriers like gaff, polec, jj, etc. just became worth their weight in gold

our forward line has the capacity to be pretty tall

HF: Hogan - T Mac - Petracca
F: Preuss - Weideman - Melksham

then ANB, AVB, Hannan, Spargo rotating through as 'smalls'

11 minutes ago, Tram 74 said:

Nobody is going to read that, get concise.

i read it, and agreed with it

tl;dr: jesse, his management, and mfc have been respectful to one another, mfc was only going to let jesse go if it facilitated bringing may in, but peter bell has acted like a little napoleon and stuffed up what should have been an easily done deal basically on his first week on the job

what's more, it's set an absolutely awful precedent for his tenure in his FIRST WEEK on the job - now fremantle are going to be perceived as difficult to work with by the vast majority of the afl industry, and treated like a pariah accordingly

it's a monumental [censored] up

from now the plan is:
- win the premiership with jesse starring all year long
- sign him up midyear after a massive victory against freo over there
- get may as a free agent at the end of next year

what's the bet freo fans boo him when he lines up against them at their home ground next year?

freo are a joke of a football club

5 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Was hoping he'd take over as CEO from Peter Jackson.

That how high i rate him.

this was my initial expectation too

board members said they were blown away by pert tho

mahoney good on that update - sounds as fed up with freo's bs as everyone on this board

shame to see him go, but happy he gets another deal at another club

we shall see how it plays out

it's a terrible tactical offer in my view

dodoro had a reputation as a difficult negotiator, but this takes it to another level

hopefully unlike gc17 we aren't absolute gumbies

hahahahahahahaahaha

1 minute ago, Clintosaurus said:

Freo have offered 11 and a future second round pick. What a pack of wankers.

is that for real?

absolutely no deal from my perspective

if we give up pick 5 as part of the may deal i will be ropeable unless we get something SIGNIFICANT back

i know it's just my mfcss speaking, but i feel like we are about to be absolutely bent over and pillaged

so presumably now:
neale goes to bears
5, may and kk go to melbourne for hogan
10 and future 2nd from melbourne goes to gc17
11 goes to gw$ for lobb
and freo get hogan and lobb?

1 minute ago, jnrmac said:

I think its more like percentage of the cap and length rather than actual salary. Subtle diff,,,

not from my understanding at clubs that are neither melbourne or freo - board have to approve actual pay packets over a certain level

1 hour ago, grazman said:

With Dayne Beams now wanting to go back to the Pies I smell a complicated four way trade involving him Hogan, Neale, Tom Langdon and picks involved.

could be as many as seven teams involved...

brisbane - neale in for beams plus picks movement
collingwood - beams in for langdon plus picks movement
fremantle - hogan in for may plus picks movement
gc17 - may out plus picks movement
melbourne - hogan out for may (and kk?) plus picks movement
st. kilda - hannebery in plus picks movement
sydney - langdon in for hannebery plus picks movement

Boards generally have to approve final pay packets for players over a certain wage

44 minutes ago, Demon Disciple said:

Doubt it, as the AFL have come out and said they won't be strongly enforcing future trading rules for a year or two yet, so long as it gets the tick of approval by what's his name (Ken Wood), then anything goes.

suntan terry was saying the other day you have to use one first rounder across the course of five years - no idea when the afl made the change or announced it

13 minutes ago, Sydee said:

Tend to agree and I will trust the FD to get this right but I have an awful feeling about this one - I fear his lowlights reel would extend well beyond the 17 seconds mark

Has anyone watched much of him in the twos for North this year who could offer an assessment of his ability?

his raw numbers are not particularly compelling: http://websites.sportstg.com/team_info.cgi?action=PSTATS&pID=196455977&client=0-118-0-339767-20320232