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Preseason draft picks can’t be traded

Melbourne have been above board and open in trading and wouldn’t engage in such subterfuge

It ain’t the Veale deal days anymore

So Warner is saying we are now offering Lever $900k a year for five or that the Crows are?

9 minutes ago, Deemented Are Go! said:

Wow, check into the Jake Lever thread to find it mutated into a discussion on Weed's development and a reminiscing session about Robbie Flower?!?!

JUST DO THE FRIGGIN DEAL ALREADY! 

hey! got us to 100 pages!!

Does a unicorn appear when we get there?

2 hours ago, Vogon Poetry said:

Still waiting on the list of players who haven't been stars after producing results like Oliver in his second year.

You could dodge the question by saying "nobody has" but that wouldn't help your position would it.

I saw the Ralph solution.  Seems fair but I couldn't understand where Rockliff fitted in.  Can't Carlton just get him as a FA anyway?

Mark Coughlan maybe?

10 and 27 for Lever for us - I like it

Carlton need to clear Gibbs to afford Rockliff presumably 

Oliver is a freak and the idea of trading him for anything 'unknown' (as draft picks are) frightens me

Fortunately it ain't happening

My Crows supporting mates rate Lever as the best young defender in the competition and think he's worth every bit of a straight swap for Petracca, or two picks in the first round minimum 

I don't know any Crows supporter who doesn't rate him super highly

They are also cognizant of the fact that what they want for him and what they get will probably not match...

my crows supporting mate has jake's dad 'liking' pies' facebook pages a month or two before he 'liked' melbourne ones of the same

fwiw, most crows supporters seem certain jake lever is coming to us...just a matter of the deal being done

22 hours ago, A F said:

Exactly. So why wouldn't you sign long term with GWS? That tells me he's going to stick it out another two years and then head back to Victoria.

it'll be interesting to see what happens to the three recent signees:
- whitfield: signed til 2020
- kelly: signed til 2019
- hopper: signed til 2019

of all their 'in-demand' players only toby greene is signed on til end of next season, and he won't be a free agent - a year short - but he'll absolutely be in-demand

but 2019 could be a bounty:
- tomlinson: restricted free agent
- shiel: rfa
- buntine: rfa
- haynes: rfa
- coniglio: rfa
- lobb
- himmelberg
- hopper
- kelly

all either rfa's or simply out of contract

20 minutes ago, hardtack said:

I'd be interested to know just how many football related injuries Salem has a history of having had.  As far as I am aware, he missed the most time suffering from a thyroid condition (hardly football related), then concussion as a result of a brick hitting him in the head (again, hardly football related... self inflicted) and most recently suffered a hamstring injury (and I get the feeling Salem is not the first AFL player to have done a hammy). 

So, just what is this injury history he has, and what "worse prognosis" could the club possibly be holding back on?

2014 preseason - thyroid issue
2015 - injuries to both hamstrings, second one pretty severe
2016 - thyroid issue
2017 preseason - brick to the head
2017 - hamstring again

played more games this year than any other year and as long as we're on top of the thyroid issue he's vital to our future imo

2017 pick 10, 2018 first round for lever and a second rounder (either 17 or preferably 18) is fine imo

11 minutes ago, JTR said:

That's cause many of the 'big trade' discussions are here on Demonland, and Demonland alone, based on "inside words" from sometimes less than credible sources.

hibberd was relatively 'big trade' - all australian defender quality for a second round pick! - and worked out exactly as foretold

if you equate it to lever being paid $670k or so across 5 years - which is what $850k under the new cba equates to, under the old cba - does that make those who are worried about his price feel any better?

i'm of the opinion that if we can get it done, we get it done

crows' supporting mates think it'll happen, just a matter for what - they think he's absolutely worth two first rounders, the only way i can see that happening is if something comes back the other way

we were spitballing and came up with the following:

lever plus rory atkins FOR melbourne pick 10, 2017 and melbourne's 2018 first rounder

OR

lever plus brisbane's 2nd round pick 2017 (pick 18-20, traded to the crows for charlie cameron) FOR melbourne pick 10, 2017 and melbourne's 2018 first rounder

the one i would love to take off their hands is hugh greenwood, but crows fans are adamant he ain't leaving

15 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Do you like him.?

What is your opinion, do you think we should try and get him?

Do you think he would be in our best 22?

Do you think we could let Garland go if we got Lever?

Do you think he would wear number 6 if he came to us?

 

#8

5 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

At 22, some of his defensive plays are insane.

Some of his spoils last night went as far as 30 metres. 

And his composure with ball in hand is super impressive.

I don't care what we give up, he is going to be the best defender in the comp within a few years.

21 - doesn't turn 22 til the start of next season

kid is a pretty rare talent

go get him dees!

will luke beveridge choke him at the brownlow again?

18 minutes ago, Dee tention said:

Sounds like Jake Stringer wants out and is on the table.

Still has youth on his side. But has alot of hamstring trouble and his final series was ordinary for his talent and size. Not a big game player! 

Pass

where's this rumour sprung from?

cannot see dogs letting him go

i'm presuming something akin to:

crows: get pick 5, lose lever + something else
freo: get pick 10, a second round pick + something else (no idea what, obviously not mcgovern), lose pick 5, balic
melbourne: get lever and balic, lose pick 10, something else (kent to freo?)

i don't know how it would work at all

i'd rather just pick 10 for lever 

2 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Collingwood is the new Blue !! 

well, blue is the new orange and charcoal, so...

Would love Gaff and Lever this offseason 

18 minutes ago, Die Hard Demon said:

jack watts 2.0

God you'd hope not

If he's there at our second pick I'd love us to take him 

46 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

I'm tempted to make a long-winded post in regards to all points, but I genuinely can't be farked so I'll say the following.

Your general reductionist view of 'the third tall' means you're unable to see what makes Lever such a truly special player. Given the way the game is now played with zone defences, the need for versatility, agility, marking and spoiling skills are more important than ever when it comes to key defenders. 

Lever is the number one intercept mark in the AFL at age 22. The same age as Oscar and similar games experience. You grossly underestimate this rare skill he possesses. Knowing when and where to run to make an intercept mark or spoil. He is elite in this area. Better than Hibberd. 

I'm going to again post a video of a highlights package from his second year. None of our key defenders even come close to impacting the marking contests that Lever wills himself to. Oscar simply doesn't have the speed nor intensity, Frost doesn't have the game understanding or awareness and Tom is similarly hit and miss with contests. 

Lever is a [censored] amazing footballer at 22 years of age and the reason club's are offering the money is because of how good an intercept player he is. He is the prototype key defender.

this is pretty much my thoughts on this kid

he's a far better kick than most on here are giving him credit for being, and coupled with his intercept prowess - which went to another level again in the back half of the year, as he started marking rather than simply spoiling (and boy, when he spoils, he KILLS the contest) - he's the ideal man to have as part of a zone defence

i would suspect if he is contemplating coming to us (and i really, really hope he is) then part of the appeal would be that the zone he's asked to play is pretty much tailor-made for his natural abilities

5 hours ago, Red and Bluebeard said:

You must go through a vast amount of salt ...

what i was told is that a significant party at adelaide has declared that it's a "done deal" in so much as he's picked the club he wants to play for and the salary he wants to receive - but like everything, i take it with a grain of salt

All the talk at the moment is that it's btw Dees and Footscray; Crows would prefer he went to Pies cos they're prepared to give up pick 6, but Lever's preference is Melbourne

The $$ have been pushed up by Footscray's offer, as to whether or not we are matching that valuation is another matter

I was told yesterday it's a "done deal" but we shall see