daisycutter

your consult invoice is in the mail as we speak

apart from the jackson go home factor

we are talking here only of the horrific excesses of hitler and his nsdp, and there is no way that these mirrored civilised society (germany included) in the 1930s and 1940s. There wasn't so many convictions at nuremburg for crimes against humanity for nothing. Once hitler seized power (unelected) germany became a totalitarian state where people ceased to have the luxury of freedom of speech and state secrecy was paramount. certainly hitler in part mirrored some of germany's aspirations and prejudices but much of what he did or was responsible for, he did not, and it is that for what he must be ultimately judged on. If you had said he mirrored german society at the time in some aspects i might have let it go but your statement was too broad brush, because he obviously grossly exceeded what was acceptable at that time in german society.

what you actually said was "not expect others to have to limit their freedoms to allow for prejudice." oh well, so long as everybody barracks for the demons it might work out

a world without prejudice........i'd like to see that......golden

you seriously think hitler mirrored society's view at that time? you seriously think having a role in a famine mirrored society's view? my last line just indicated i didn't want to get further off topic. .. as i said i was devils advocate in relation to the excuse afforded to trudeau for the reference to society's view at the time, pointing out the inconsistency when it comes to judging history on today's moral attitudes. anyway we are drifting a bit far off topic

that's true in smith's case

yeah rjay pm'd me. was worse than i thought, quite disgusting and sick i hope he's outed, banned and shamed

devil's advocate here. so why is it ok now for those of the neo political correct to call for the removal of statues (etc) for historical figures whose behaviour mirrored society's views at that time? I don't really need an answer

what did they say? you can pm if you prefer

well it aint soy and lentils.........

i actually think the opposite. because of the afl's, protect the head, pay a free kick, a lot of players are now perversely putting their heads in positions that are extremely risky......just to win a free kick (and maybe show how tough they are)

agree, and then there is the virtue-signalling hypocrites like bransom and joyce and organised religion et al. i blame population explosion for igniting these baser sides of human nature. 8 billion [censored] people and climbing exponentially. 44 years ago it was just half that figure.....think about it. solyent green may be just where it's heading after all

quite so drafting 18yo kids from school is a lottery top 10 picks need to be taken on best available, not needs or speculation, even then there are no guarantees as we have seen time and time again

your problem,od, is your memory of how blatant it used to be, certainly what i call little 'r' racism i liked lg's analogy " it is now a fight and not a bashing " it will never totally disappear, people will naturally gravitate to a group and be wary of other groups. the more pressure a group is under the more that group adopts groupthink and more the tendency for that group to discriminate against other groups whether rational or not. racism is just a form of of discrimination and competition. Demonland is a prime example but our discrimination is not based on racism but most time is quite irrational

true, social media gives a voice and platform to the more undesirables where better? why here in australia, od, believe it or not, though it does get somewhat obscured by the fog of social media and hypocrisy

a lot of it is just [censored] for tat. the left is not short when it comes to trotting out pejoratives and reinventing the english language. there is certainly more polarisation

i certainly agree it is getting worse in many parts of the world, fanned by rising nationalism and xenophobia on the other hand it is improving in other parts

yes, but US Olympic sports (cycling, swimming, etc etc) have signed up to wada, so LDVC's comment re bill of rights is still valid

not to mention their union signed off on it too

maybe not, but i was really only talking about the trade-back rule

and carlton, in good faith, was only prepared to offer a 2nd round pick.....yeah, right

there is debate as to whether this refers just to within the nd or whether it includes Trade period + ND if the former then we could trade back pick 22

....and a good tolerance to hard liquor, ernie

i believe it's about 3.25M over 5 years averaging 650k