Vipercrunch

17 minutes ago, old55 said:

It's not "like any organisation" because umpires have a limited career span and there's only one employer world wide

The umpires themsleves have said plenty of times that they don't want to go professional and they don't see how full time hours could be filled and can't see how it would actually improve things.

The best thing to imrpove the quality of umpiring is make rule changes to reduce the ambiguity of decisions.  The pushing in the back in marking contests is currently a mess and is incredibly hard to umpire.  It wasn't that way when the hand in the back rule was in existience.  

When the rules commitee come to look at possible rule changes, one of the main things they should consider is whether it would make the game easier or harder to umpire.

And also, start properly punishing players who stage for frees!!!

Ugly win, but we were by far the better side.   I have been increasingly worried that some of our wins earlier in the season came more from moments of individual brilliance rather than our system, so I was particular pleased to see a system based win.  We now have to work on our polish otherwise we won't get past Collingwood on Monday.

Good chance it's been posted already, but expected scores had us winning very easily.

11 hours ago, dees189227 said:

So hang on he hasn't told the players yet but Tom Morris announced it. 

Who leaked the info to him. 

I'm guessing there are some phone calls going on tonight 

You'd reckon Hardwick would be absolutely filthy this got out.  He didn't want his players to find out this way and to have someone close to him run to Tom Morris of all people, must be particularly galling.

What Port did required a response, but "flying the flag" is a notion from a bygone era.  All it does if give away feekicks, possible reports and definetely distracts us from what actually counts, which is winning the contested ball or applying immense pressure on them if they have it.  Leave the umpires to sort out these [censored] tactics (which they did to a certain extent), play harder within the rules and win the game.  Then those nonsense tactics will stop.

Best guess to where Petty will be playing @kev martin?

Carlton footy club is the very definition of meh.  I feel absolutely nothing for them.

That was a horrible non call by the umps in the Magpie goalsquare.  Gonna get some airtime this week.

Millera having a mare today.  Been much better in the other Adelaide games I’ve seen this year.

Rankine…. omg 🤦‍♂️ 

6 minutes ago, layzie said:

I'm sorry what was that about Essendon's new look defence?

Zerk-Thatcher on Hawkins was a disaster.

Dwayne Russell said this week he won’t rule out Richmond until they need to win 10 of the remaining 9 games to make the finals.  He can be quite nauseating at times. 

6 hours ago, Roost it far said:

It’s bad management to drop Schache after one game

I’d bring in Spargo for Jordan

Petty for Hibberd

Rinse and repeat

Couldn’t agree more.  Big step up from VFL to AFL these days and I actually liked quite a bit of his work.  He was also on the wrong end of some eyebrow raising decisions against him in the last quarter.  Definitely think he deserves another go to get up to speed.  Where that leaves Petty I’m not sure.

3 minutes ago, BDA said:

I love spargs but i think chandler has taken his place in the team.

They both fitted in the team fine before Spargo injury.  Why can’t that continue?

5 hours ago, Vipercrunch said:

JVR 5, Schache and Kozzy 3 each.  Not sure who kicks the other 15 goals.

North were witches hats the last two weeks and whatever resistance they muster won’t last long.  And as I’m a supporter, it doesn’t matter if I’m taking them lightly. MFC by 60+ 😁😁

Need a big last quarter by JVR and Schache

JVR 5, Schache and Kozzy 3 each.  Not sure who kicks the other 15 goals.

North were witches hats the last two weeks and whatever resistance they muster won’t last long.  And as I’m a supporter, it doesn’t matter if I’m taking them lightly. MFC by 60+ 😁😁

10 minutes ago, BDA said:

The boos started as a response to the way he left North and have been compounded by Hinkley asking the crowd not to boo. The contrarian element in the crowd will always do the exact opposite of what they are asked to do.

I think you’re right.  Good chance it would have already faded if not for the continued focus by the media and club.  People hate being told what to do.

The animosity towards him is because there are thousands and thousands of young people out there that would do anything to play AFL.  They would play anywhere and for anyone, so to see this kid blessed with all this talent, walk out on the club that drafted him number 1 after just 12 months really angers them.  JHF had everything all these young people have dreamt about all their lives and he still demanded more.

34 minutes ago, leave it to deever said:

It's a worry that neither tmac or bbb took their chance for a definitive spot in the seniors. Anyone that doesn't think we have a forward line problem is kidding themselves. Thank goodness for Jvr stepping up but he's still a young unknown. Not saying he won't perform but it's not guaranteed and we don't know at what level. He's only got 5 games in fgs. Kozzie is up and down and Fritta though ok isn't where he used to be at. Credit to Goody for trying the Petty option but as much as always hoped for it, he wasn't really up to it. Maybe with Gawn back in he will help out but his kicking still worries me. 

If we are going to win a flag thus year we definitely need either Tmac or Bbb to come good or a long shot in Schache. And it needs to happen soon. 

Our fwd line fell apart last year and it saw us drop out in straight sets.  Any suggestions?

 

Yes the forward line hasn’t been settled and is a work in progress, BUT it has been effective.  Second most points scored at an average of 105 points per game.  So my suggestion is don’t panic and enjoy the journey as we continue to discover our best forward mix while still putting points on the board.

9 minutes ago, layzie said:

Didn't Rivers have a knock as well? Maybe just cramp 

Yeah, just cramp.  Was stretching it out for a while before he totally missed that kick and was subbed immediately after.

One of the reasons this combo can work so well is that both players are at the stages of their careers (and lives) that they are completely team orientated.  They have nothing left to prove for themselves and are therefore prepared to do whatever is required to help the team win a premiership.  If one is running hot out of he middle, the other is happy to leave them there and do another role.

8 minutes ago, binman said:

No, i don't. I will be super surprised if, in our finals set up, he is not playing as key defender. 

It is no coincidence our defensive worries and less effective defensive intercepts have coincided with Petty going forward.

Out of the three games Petty's played forward, only Richmond had any obvious defensive and intercept worries, and if you believe the footy media, that was because Richmond were deliberately kicking the ball to grass to mitigate our intercept marking strength.  Petty's presence down bvack instead of one of the smalls would have likely made the situation worse.

I don't understand how posters have already totally written Schache off already either.  Most consistent Casey VFL watches were convinced he was the most likely to get the call up ahead of JVR before Schache got his concussion.  When he returned he was clearly Casey's best tall against Essendon VFL.  

15 minutes ago, binman said:

Thanks viper. 

I watched Tuesday's 360 last night and Goody was one of the coaches (scott the other). 

He was asked specifically what his preferred forward set up was. He said resting rusting ruck and two talls.

There was no equivocation, so i'm even more confident that come finals that will be the set up.

Fingers crossed one of those talls is Van Ruin (because that would mean he has maintained his form and earned his spot, which is exciting). 

That would leave Tmac, BB and perhaps as wildcard, Schache fighting for the other tall spot. 

Another interesting comment from Goody was that JVR was still building his capacity to do the sort of up and down the ground running and being a marking option in the back half that Tmac does. 

You don't see Petty as an option as one of the two tall forwards?  Every time this year that we have had both May and Lever available, the coaches have played Petty forward.  Given TMac, BBB and as far as we know Schache were all fit to play on Monday night, Petty is definitely in the coaches considerations for that spot right now.

@Demonland @binman @george_on_the_outer

Thanks again for a great podcast.  Interesting discussion about the forward mix.

I crunched some numbers looking at team performance based on where Petty plays.  The numbers at least show things clearly work better with him forward.  Lots of other variables possibly influencing things of course.

Another factor that I think comes into this is that because some opposition teams are deliberately getting the ball to the ground in our backline to take away our intercept marking strength, our coaches are only going with two talls (May and Lever if fit), which means Petty doesn't have a spot down back.  

It's these sort of numbers as well as comments Goodwin has made that make me think Petty will be persisted with up forward.  I am pretty sure the green ones are on the side of the ledger that we want them to be.

4 hours ago, Demonland said:

 

I just rewatched that passage of play.  It was a desperate, full stretch dive by Gus to reach the ball and deny a Richmond player taking possession.  That was his sole objective.  There is no way he had any further designs on the direction or distance the ball travelled after that.  All he wanted to do was deny easy possession for his opponent.  The rule is not there for that sort of thing. 13:05 remaining on the clock in the second quarter if anyone wants to watch again.