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Opinions differ. You have yours and I have mine. Byrnes, Pedersen and Gillies have had THREE games. Remember Juice Newton???

Another well thought out post, HH?

Absolute rubbish. All of us on this forum merely speculate and hand wring. You accuse me of reading too much of the Hun, but I reckon you listen to SEN too much. Clark - recruited by Neeld Dawes - recruited by Neeld M Jones - recruited by Neeld Terlich - recruited by Neeld Kent - recruited by Neeld (yet to play, but looks likely) N Jones - playing the best footy of his career, under Neeld. The penny may have dropped with Sylvia....responding. Evans played well on Saturday and will get better...under Neeld. J Viney - playing with the spirit and guts ALL our players should be displaying...under Neeld. Our captains are bloody, bold and resolute!!! Byrnes, Pedersen and Gillies may yet work out. He, too, is a developing coach in the AFL - he needs time. We do agree on one thing - Daniher needed to rebuilt after 2000.

Okay, tonatopia, so now you're saying there will be a Board spill, McLardy will go, all the coaches will be sacked and the AFL will dissolve the Club? You may be right, but all I know is this. Disclaimer, btw, as I don't have access to the Board or the Andrews report..... I watch our players jog trot to a contest. I watch our players refuse to defend and run hard. I see our players finger point and ask to be traded. I see a lack of accountability on so many occasions. I see a lack of so many non negotiable behaviours. And so many of those that were traded are really killing them at other clubs.

The beginning of what? Back to basics? I agree. Weeding out those who refuse to meet expectations? Good, about time. Eradicating the softness of our players? Let's go! Recruiting some grunt? About fkn time. Oh, and you forgot Martin, Morton and Bennell.

I'm not convinced that Chip will stay.

Please allow me to elaborate on something that won't change from coach to coach. Fitness Accountability Professionalism Pride Values Respect Competing Contesting Team work Only half a dozen players on our list have these core characteristics. The rest are not up to AFL standard.

Can you name the pea hearted mercenaries, please?

Meanwhile, Wines absolutely killing them over in the showdown. 2 goals, has unsettled Scott Thompson and managed to accidentally break Dangerfield's nose in the bloody minded pursuit of the ball in a stoppage. These are facts and that's my logic.

True - that's because he's hungry!! I think he got overlooked for 2 or 3 drafts?? Some of our players should take a leaf out of his desperation book.

He may well walk, but will others pay him the same money? That means, he'll stay??

Who's PSY, stuie?

At least we can get you some free boots?

Standards....that's what I'm talking about. Accountability, fitness, skills, determination, guts. Only 3 or 4 players display these traits as we speak. I'm hurting like you, THBT, but we need to stabilise and give Neeld a go. We have to be a viable, stable club to attract other players. There's another thread about our players being AFL standard - we don't have enough.

Was he? Can't remember him much, so I was taking a punt

Tim Watson....no good as a coach. Roger Merrett.....no good as coach. Brett Ratten.....no good as a coach. Ross Lyon....spud player, excellent coach. Well thought out post, HH.

I reckon there's some coin available. Several delistings/retirements will free some coin. Dal Santo is RFA and perhaps make a call to van Berlo? Or, as you suggested, Daisy.

Mitch Clark can provide it - he leads by example. Jack Viney is a young kid who will provide it. You're being a bit dismissive of Nathan Jones who is a fantastic AFL standard player.

In: Gawn, Blease Out: Pedersen, Toumpas. Maybe another mid for Sellar.

What about keeping Hogan and our picks and throw big money on RFA?

I don't think he's escaping scrutiny. Was jeered by the crowd when he got his first kick...I think in the 2nd quarter? Was subject to a fairly condescending remark by one of the 774 Canberra commentators who was calling the game.

I think I can wait for a few years as I see the plan unfolding, compared to NO CHANCE under Bailey's coaching. With the exception of half a dozen AFL standard players, the rest of the list is not up to it. Many top six clubs will hold and tolerate a bottom 5 or 6......we have a bottom 14 - 15. Please understand this, rather than histrionics and media beat up. We're all emotional and want our club to succeed, but sacking Neeld is not the answer. It will paint us as a laughing stock and completely unstable.

These apologetic views are contrary to where we need to be. Wines was ready. Already a Rising Star nomination. Record 16 contested possessions in his first game. Big, strong, hard at it. Wanted to come to the club.....WANTED! Friends with our own Jack. Alas, too late now.

More than that....he actually ran to space and delivered with surety. He's a keeper.

Yep.