Its Time for Another

How dare you. Who do you think you are. What a disgrace. Bringing facts on to this site. FACTS. There's no place for facts here. You're in the wrong place if you want to start supporting arguments on here with FACTS. That's not how it works here. That's the second post supported by facts I've seen on here in one day. What's the place coming to.

Talk about putting your money where your mouth is. Very impressed by this backing up opinion with well researched fact.

Don't get me wrong I love Grimesy and have everything crossed that he has an awesome season. But his clangers and turnovers are holding him back from being the elite player he should be. I just hope, hope, hope he can grow out of them. It's interesting that we got him at pick 14 because of his back problems and without them he was touted as a top 4 pick. It looked like a steal if he could come good physically. It looks like he has come good, I'm really looking forward to seeing the pick 4 performance we are hoping to get from him.

Take this as a tomato to the noggin.

He evidently didn't mean in the Seniors he must have meant at Peel Thunder.

Pick whichever one does it for you or all of them but they are all reasons why stat's are rarely useful on their own and interpretations are dangerous. Many far more competent players than Pedo have had to play that role.

One was down the end of the ground where the ball was all night the other was down the end of the ground where there were 40 inside 50's to 51 despite the possessions being nearly double. So which end of the ground where most of those dinky back and forward passes taking place. One was told to run away from the ball, one was running to the contests. Can you guess which one is which? Stat's are dangerous things in the wrong hands.

Jeez, people need to take a few chill pills. Wines is a great crash and bash player with not elite skills who came in with a ready made body who is already at his peak. Toumpas has elite vision and skills but is going to be more of an outside link player delivering the ball to forwards in a way that can't be defended against. With the midfield we are developing I am more than happy with Toumpas over Wines. I'm happy for it to take a bit longer for him to develop. I'm very confident the end product will prove he was the right pick and has a more elite upside.

Interesting we still continue to have the inside 50 problem Bailey said we needed to fix 3 seasons ago. Nearly doubled opponents possessions but trailed inside 50's 40 to 51. 40 or less was typical of past years. That needs to be over 50 a game for us to be getting dangerous.

I just discussed this with someone yesterday. He was the last great coach to come in to the Club before Roos and set about rebuilding the Club from its basic roots all the way through. It didn't take the 5 yrs he planned, it took 7 to get to the finals and 8 to a GF. But it was the list he built from U19's up. Roosy already has a much better list to work with.

Yeh, know what you mean about you making a fool of yourself on the internet. You are doing it admirably right now. If you could read you would see that my comment was about the annual rotation of Captains being a compete fail. Good luck if you don't agree with that one because Thomas and the rest of the Saints thought it was a fail. He has said if he had his time over again it was something he wouldn't do again. Have a look at the list he inherited and wasn't able to do anything with. Take a good look at those Prelim performances. They were embarrassing from a list that should have been winning Premierships not getting flogged. Look what the coach who took over from him achieved with the same group. Seriously, and it's you that's making comments about people making a fool of themselves. As for Blight. If you actually listened to what Blight said not Thomas, he said he was doing exactly what he did in his time at the Cats and Crows. He always needed his time out every week to clear his head space and he was doing that at the Saints but they didn't get it. He said there wasn't any problem from his point of view. Watch Open Mike and read a bit. So based on your magnificent logic being frank and forthright about your complete shite opinions is more important than having any basis in truth or facts. That seems to fit in with your post.

Bollocks. Scully is on $1.2mill, no one will be taking Scully till his 6yrs is up.

I really don't like Malthouse, but that's a personality thing, not because he has done anything especially wrong as a coach. Thomas on the other hand I really don't like, firstly because he got a coaching gig by stabbing someone else in the back, then because he did a Neeld and started trying to invent the game with rotating annual Captains which was a complete fail, he was basically a failure as a coach and had to be sacked, most of his controversial comments as a supposed commentator are based on personal bias not on logic or facts, he was happy to slander people, eg Neeld and Aaron Davey and then not apologise. He's a tool of the highest order. You're never going to win the PR stakes as a coach. You can choose not to tell the truth and crap on about how well the team's going and they have turned a corner and it will be an exciting season blah blah blah because you're told to drum up optimism for memberships. Or you can tell the truth to the supporters about where the team is at and what the major challenge is and have people like Thomas call you egotistical. You can't win. I know which version I'd rather see. It's the first time in many many years that I think a coach is saying something that gives you a clear idea of what is going on in the inner sanctum of the club. Is it a good thing for the players for the world to know they have shattered confidence and it has to be rebuilt over time. Oh, shock, horror, do you think they are only hearing it for the first time because it's in a newspaper article or do they already know it. Roosy is a very astute man manager, I'm sure there is method at work. Like telling them they are good enough footballers to compete they are just lacking confidence. That doesn't sound like an egotistical exercise to me, more like man management skills that Thomas will never have.

Physically almost perfect except from memory has only been able to complete one full pre season which coincided with his best season for the Club. He's just had another injury interrupted preseason on a modified program which means he will struggle for fitness yet again for a season. Roosy said a couple of years ago that if a player misses the main fitness work before Christmas they are always behind for the rest of the next season. Having said that I expect him to be useful at Freo played on HFF. He doesn't have the brain or stamina to be able to play in the midfield. Mind you nowadays HFF's have to be able to run deep into defence and run hard on transition. I have doubts he will have the tank even for that.

I was going to say forget about Fyfe we should go for Mundy who I believe has also put his talks on hold till the end of the year but I didn't realise he turns 29 in July so outside our demographic. Wouldn't think Fyfe would move but if he decided to Roos and Lyon are probably more likely than most to do a deal. After all when Lyon left the Swans and went to the Saints Roosy gave him Schneider for a very low pick and threw in Dempster for virtually nothing, so Lyon is more likely to be receptive than most. Still can't imagine that Fyfe will walk out on top four Freo for lowly D's. That view might be different by the end of the year.

Clark still a bit of a mystery. From memory training reports pre season mentioned that he had joined the full group just before Christmas. Then he "tweaked" his hammy and has been gone for nearly two months. A really bad hammy is a two month injury how is this tweaked hammy ended up being two months.

One of my all time funniest posts on here. Loved it. Hope like crazy it won't be apt once they start playing.

Seems to be hard to get an idea of his size, especially having never seen him. All I have seen is the photo of the top 9 picks and he looked considerably smaller in height and build to the rest of them. Yet, he is listed as 185cm's and is described as hard bodied. Don't really know what they mean by hard bodied. Is it different to big bodied. Michie looks big bodied and therefore hard bodied. Salem doesn't look anything like his build based on the photos I've seen so far.

Reading all the reports, can I ask those who were there if this is a fair summary. Looks like there is going to be a clearer game plan that the whole team is working towards. More depth in the midfield with better delivery into the forward line. But overall on the basis of today's hit out we are still in for a lot of skill errors and bad decisions under pressure. By the sounds of it Roosy is going to have to use all his powers of Zen to stay calm in the face of plenty of maddening coach killer turnovers that he can't do anything about. Just hope the groups confidence builds in the face of these continuing costly errors, until they stop happening. Seems to me Roosy's single biggest job will be psychological. Building the confidence back in the group. Amazing how skills and decision making seem to magically improve when confidence builds.

Can't think of a Top 6 team that doesn't do short chips across defence to switch and then kick long to uncontested player on the run, rather than Neeld's kick long out of defence to a contest on the boundary line and then hope and pray that you are able to knock it over the line for a throw in that you are more likely than not to lose.

Sounds like F-O-O-T-Y!!!!!!!

Hard to imagine another role that would net him $1.5mil. I was thinking CEO after PJ leaves, sounds like an option that might satisfy your post but that's probably worth $500k.

Georgio or Jetta

I mentioned this on last Monday's training thread. "Interesting, just turned on replay of last years Qualifying Final between Sydney and Hawks. Pre Game interview with John Longmire with him saying to win they have to do what they try to do every week which is play hard contested two way football." I suspect the short version of Roos playing mantra will be the same thing. I remember hearing him say somewhere that footy is now all about running up and down the ground. So no surprise they have been doing plenty of exercises doing that all pre season. We are all also lucky that he is inheriting a team that is just about to complete it's third pre season under Misson and by Misson's calculations was always going to take until this season to be physically competitive. Flash told me at the B&F after Bailey was sacked that he was trying to get them to execute a game plan they couldn't execute. I assumed that to be outrunning the opposition on the transitions out of defence and into attack. Well, no more excuses. I am really encouraged to hear people saying the skill level has picked up because nothing has frustrated me more the last couple of years than watching the team getting killed by turn overs.

Your 8-10 wins benchmark is an interesting point. I wonder what it will take for him to decide he's seen enough to stay. 8-10 wins IMHO is a big call. Very much the upper end of what I would expect this year. I wonder what will happen if the group is jelling as a team, they run a couple of the elite teams to close games, cut out the terrible losses but still only win say 5 games. Will that be enough? I know not according to you but what do others think it will take?