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The culture in Australia is messed up beyond belief. The person taking a picture of someone having a beer knowing it will cause a stir. The media reporting it from a sensationalist angle. A good portion of the public getting up in arms. The football club forced to tsk tsk due to public perceptions. The (sensationalist) media personality then pointing the finger at club for nanny-state like behaviour. I'm not in Australia so I half don't give a [censored]. But it hurts seeing what has happened to my homeland. Here's a decent call to arms from Kerry O'Brien, upon his resignation from the ABC, be it for the left or right. From 2011, since proven to be so very prescient! See:

Captain of a premiership fancy going into round 8 with a 2-5 win-loss record.

Self-quote but the Jones' kick-starter goal in the 3rd is a fine enough illustration. Garlett had the ball out the back and a yard on his opponent. But he cut back in away from the goals rather than attempting a step on the outside toward the posts. It worked out well, but it demonstrates the mind-set.

Just watching the replay: for those heaping [censored] on Harmes for a couple of 50s - this rule is [censored] and not being adjudicated within the spirit of the game. Bruest wasn't even looking in Harmes' direction. And that one is on Oscar, who made no real effort at the contest while Harmes was involved at the contest at half-back leading up to that passage.

Someone raised the question somewhere herein but I've been saying it for the past couple of years: Jeff is stuck in two minds. A forward pocket of his talent needs to be selfish and instinctive. He's had it coached out of him under Goodwin and always looks first for the assist - then gets caught between shooting and passing. I'll see if I can dig it up but there was a perfect illustration I think from 2017; Garlett kicked a beautiful slow-running snap from the deep right pocket, but he only kicked for goal because he couldn't find another option after several moments. Unfortunately, I think he's now lost his touch - but contrary to most, I also think he's super valuable with his forward pressure and sets the tone.

I only saw the last half. Out: Omac In: Someone else Someone else: not Spargo

Cheers Cards - it happened over 15 years ago now so I'm fairly well adjusted - although, I have to be honest, while I grew up with my step-brother, the pain hasn't been as acute as it has for his full brother - or, I imagine, if it had been my own genetic brother who had perished. I delivered the eulogy at his funeral - at around the age of twenty - and for the first time recognised that I was coming to know less and less about the world as I aged, contrary to expectations. Affairs weren't getting blacker but more grey. My MFC experience has been the same.

This is how my step-brother died. It triggered a heart attack. He wasn't properly supervised, but if it can lead to heart failure (he was healthy and athletic) then I don't know if that's an acceptable risk for our players. I also don't know what the potential for heart failure is with other forms of hypoxic training - there was a delay in rescuing my step-brother from the pool, such that cause of death was ultimately drowning. I don't mean to be a downer - and joke away as you would - but I don't think it's fair if our players are criticised in the future for not engaging in especially risky exercises. Lastly, my step-brother saved two other lives through organ donation. For those unaware, it requires more than a tick on your driver's license to ensure your intentions are followed in this respect.

I was wrong on Salem - we did get to play with him and then he went haywire. I was thinking of those players that have specifically gone down for a year before or at the start of first season with us. Frost was another. And we've already had two more this year in Nietschke and Walker - although the latter is like the present you get from your eccentric aunt and only get around to once you're bored of the other toys.

The MFC is like getting toys as a kid at Christmas only to encounter the dreaded 'batteries not included'. And then all the shops are shut. Hogan, Petracca, Salem, Lever - the list goes on. Every time we get a shiny new toy.

Fantastic post ATBOG. It's too small of a sample size to draw any solid conclusions outside of a comparison between the MCG and Marvel, and the post- and pre-bye record challenges most hypotheses - except Collar-Jazz-Knee's intriguing contribution. Goodwin and the players have mentioned a few times that it's good to get on the road - with an insular team focus - and we have a decent away record, but again, this is undermined by our Marvel history as measured against the MCG. I've reordered the list to reflect width (probably more of an issue than length but cant be bothered calculating area) courtesy of Rusty's data where available (I had collected all the dimensions last year but can't also be bothered retrieving). The easiest answer would be to point to the game-plan, and we certainly looked different this season when we were at the SCG and had the Swans pinned-in their defensive half for long stretches. But then we were pantsed by the Cats at Kardinia. I floated the theory last year that rather than size, we preferred hard and fast tracks - as evidenced by our dominance over the (admittedly undermanned) Crows at Traeger - but I'm not sure how this correlates with other grounds. I think @Collar-Jazz-Knee has floated the best theory to date to account for the pre- and post-bye anomaly, as well as our differing record at Marvel vs the MCG, but I'm looking forward to more ideas from the Demonland brains-trust.

Can we merge with the sack everyone megathread? I'm looking forward to tallying up the 2019 scapegoats and it will be much easier if they're all under the one roof.

I think you may be colour-blind DV8. Do you ever find yourself yelling at the Demons on TV and for some odd reason the commentators won't stop blabbing on about Patrick Cripps?

I haven't searched but it was definitely in the media - as a more interesting subtext to a different lead from memory. Edit: And to clarify, from a media source, but not as speculation. As perhaps supportive evidence - I think the last time the club spoke out loud - maybe in the Lever year - we had room for two big fish. Lever may have been one but Hogan and May probably cancel each other out. Ergo: room for at least one more. Also, I don't know why I/we collectively stress so much about the cap: every other club when they land someone big seem to fit it in just fine. Some of them over and over again. I think we the supporters overthink it as tighter than what it really is.

I like how you pretended to be balanced and objective until almost right at the end and then you couldn't help yourself.

Sounds like you're still stuck in denial Nash.

The strangest thing is the number of posters on here who have just skipped straight to 7. There's the usual suspects at 2 - some of those who have managed to blend their 2 with the comfort of 7 - a very low-level all-pervasive 5, a few nut-jobs at 4 who feel guilty for some self-bathwater fan-influence notion and project that onto the players, and then the majority who are stationed somewhere between 6 & 7. Technically, 'blame' falls under anger and bargaining, but I believe casting for culprits, or searching randomly for answers (is it you God?) deserves its own grief stage, and that it's otherwise a step toward acceptance. As for me: a mix of denial and acceptance without any of the interim stages.

Bring back the Danial Cross magic cream. The saddest thing about the the Stack affair is the reminder that one Demonland's greatest ever threads has slipped into the aether. For the newbies:

Not a free agent = Brainer. Sell the farm for Cameron as a 'pre-agent' a la May or compete in a crowded market? We don't have the draft credits to get it done so would have to trade out. Weid to Collingwood would be a start: may as well capitalise on McGuire's grand-pa/grandson fetish while he still has some influence. Pick 18 & 19 (exaggerated estimated Collingwood first and MFC second-rounder before adjustments) for Cameron might get it done a year ahead of f/a. Would you pay that?

I wasn't actually referring to you specifically (and didn't see your later exchange). And I respect that you have acknowledged it was a mistake rather than deflecting it. But presumably you were on the internet when you posted it? Not a nasty criticism directed at you, but perhaps if there was a specific thread collating deliberate or careless inaccuracies as suggested then posters might be discouraged from making false statements or spreading mistruths.

We should start a thread collating posts with deliberate or careless false claims that can be factually proven to be so. A Demonland shame file. Some of the same names will start cropping up pretty quickly I imagine - and maybe that will help to clean up the issue a fraction.

And be outraged if one of our own copped a soft chicken-wing fine.

If you head to the Dusty Martin assault thread our accountant has already gone down.

Love it. TU on some manic warpath of truth in an era of fake news. Good luck mate. Wish I had your stamina.

Gaslighting is a psychological act to undermine another's belief in their own memory, perception, etc. I have no idea how it relates to your post. You have to keep in mind I drown my sorrows in a different time-zone to most. I think my point was that all of your reasonable qualifying statements were in parentheses. As if mumbled under your breath - so as to be truthful but still appeal to the baying masses. Best to just ignore.