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Yeah, the first 5-10 we were off but we picked it up for the 2nd half of the quarter. Our forward zone that we set up after a behind wasn't working though. They got through it every time with ease.

if excuses are offered up for these 2 then the same can be excused for Mitch Brown. I'm confident that Mitch Brown would average more goals per game than Weideman and T.Mcdonald.

Lol. that's exactly what I'm saying. 2 sets of standards. But I'll take what your saying as I'm an effing legend too. Cheers!

I expected 1-2. not surprised with 2.

I hear what you're saying but Ben Brown and Tom Mcdonald are horrific defensively. Mitch Brown is a far better player than Weideman who has had a lot more chances. I haven't seen what you've seen of Mitch Brown but the last time Mitch Brown played AFL he played a very serviceable game.

I don't think that there's a pre-requisite to getting into the 1's. Otherwise Mitch Brown would've been in the seniors a long time ago. Mitch Brown should've been given a go a long time before Weideman. And probably before Tom Mcdonald when he was out of form. He is extremely mobile and is a great shot for goal. I think him and Fritsch would've been really dangerous together. Nonetheless, I don't think consistent VFL performances really count for all that much.

So why would May say that wins feel like losses? Because this is definitely how I've felted after scraping over the line against some pretty average teams. https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/melbourne-demons/afl-news-2022-melbourne-def-st-kilda-steven-may-interview-undefeated-streak-fixture-how-good-are-they/news-story/15b4697e3786c5800a00a1ee995553a5

Oh, I'm not saying Ben Brown deserves to be dropped or the JVR. You've taken what I've said out of context. I'd just like to use this very rare opportunity to blood a kid. Otherwise it likely won't be until 2023.

lol lets not exaggerate. He was very close to getting dropped a few weeks ago when the Brown vs TMac vs Weideman started to circulate. He kicked 2 on the weekend and 6 possessions against very very weak opposition.

Preuss is playing like such a beast at the moment. If we knew Jackson was leaving we would've held onto Preuss. But if we were to lose Jackson I'd rather lose him now than in 2-3 years time. Getting some key position talent for life after May and Ben Brown/Mcdonald etc. would be much needed. Van Rooyen looks a 2nd tall to me.

Thanks for your reply. And thanks for actually having a discussion which is what I thought this forum was for instead of people just slamming my opinion. I agree in that our defence seems to never take the foot off the gas. Our structures seem to hold up for most of the game and when we leak it's usually for no more than a 20 min period. I'm aware that our strength is in defence with May, Petty, Lever as well as Bowey and soon to be Salem but I feel like a lot of pressure has been on them this season. I think this is because our efficiency going forward has been way off so instead of an easy mark to a leading forward like Fritsch who would then take 30 seconds and have a shot for goal, it gets rebounded and we have to rely on individual brilliance instead of team defence. In my hypothetical, if Fritsch misses, we can set up our zone (which was non existent yesterday but that's not my point) and make it a forward half game. So I think the forward half efficiency is crucial. You mention that it's not the margin that is the metric that we care about but instead how we play our brand and that's exactly how I am. How we play. My thoughts echo Steven May's thoughts: https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/melbourne-demons/afl-news-2022-melbourne-def-st-kilda-steven-may-interview-undefeated-streak-fixture-how-good-are-they/news-story/15b4697e3786c5800a00a1ee995553a5 So people who are telling me to 'get a grip' can also tell Steven May to get a grip. I'd like to think Steven May has a pretty good grasp on things and the way we are going. He wouldn't be content with how we're playing and either should demonlanders.

the McGovern elbow into Viney was so extremely light, nothing will happen. It wasn't anywhere near as forceful as Viney's elbow in the past. I feel like Chandler will cop a suspension. I don't particularly agree with or like the decision. I wished the afl would start suspending guys that stage for frees but that's the story for another day. Guys like Hawkins, Weightman etc. Ironically, if Chandler had of turned the tackler after he'd already hit his head he'd probably get off because it would look like an attempt to protect the head. I reckon he could get 1 or even 2. Which I don't agree with. Not for accidents.

When Salem comes back, I still want Brayshaw playing in defence. Hunt can go. Hunt is much improved but Brayshaw is playing so well in defence. I still have faint hopes that Hibberd can come in and be the small forward blanket which is what will be extra important against Brisbane who have the best small forwards in the league.

What I'd like to see: Out: Harmes, Ben Brown In: Laurie, Van Rooyen Just to breath a bit of youth into a game we'll win anyway. What will happen: Out: Harmes In: Dunstan

You call them WCE, it was a vfl reserves standard team on paper with their outs. So I don't care what strategies they put in place or how they played to slow down our scoring. It's irrelevant. The round 1 game you reference was probably our best game for the season.

The problem with this Jimmy is that we won't get those picks. If he nominates Freo, they can only gives us their current 1st rounder and next years first. So that's like Pick 15 and Pick 16 next year. We wouldn't be getting great picks if he nominates Freo. If he nominates WCE, we'd get their pick 1 (or 2) and probably a late first or early 2nd next season. He's out of contract. We have no leverage.

I call it as a I see it. The supporters that say 'Oh we played in 2nd gear and still won' or 'we just toy with the opposition and go bang when we need' are illogical views and a strange stance to take. Do you think playing in 2nd gear is by design? Of course not. Keeping in mind that we played a WCE with half their team out and 22 players out in total. A team that Casey would've beaten by 10 goals. Eventually, the 2nd gear is our only gear if it's the only thing we know how to do. So at quarter time, Goodwin says 'alright guys, solid first quarter now take the foot off the gas'? Laughable logic. Then at half time just after we've kicked 1 goal in 30 mins and get outplayed for the majority of the quarter Goodwin and every other full time coaching staff gets the players in together and say 'no worries guys, another 30 mins of that will be fine. They're the standards that we're trying to set at the MFC. No need to be ruthless. No need for %. Let's just continue to make Connor West look like a 3 time Brownlow medalist. Let's just continue to give them the easy 45 kick from kick-ins and to exit our defensive zone with ease. Let's not hit the top of the goal square to a 1 on 1 when going inside 50m. Let's go to the pockets to a 50/50 or even better turn it over'. If the full time coaching staff aren't saying these things, which they clearly wouldn't be, then it's on the players. A trend has now become a habit and it's justifiably concerning that we go a full half against a VFL reserves standard opposition and kick only 3 goals. The first and last quarter should be the minimum standard for all quarters. 'Old school views' are the views where people just look at the margin and that's the only analysis they possess. Some junk time goals in the last doesn't help fix our inability to score or to put the foot on the throat. Most of the commentators were all saying the same thing, as well as pretty much all official match reports. You can't analyse the match without talking about a full hour of football where a vfl reserves team restricted us to 3 goals in a half. I'm critical because I recognise that our tough games haven't even started yet and we haven't played a team in the top 5 yet. It would be nice if people actually analysed the game instead of being like '74 points, light work. Next'. It's these supporters that are absolutely gob smacked when we get smacked by 50 points one week to a bottom 8 team. But if you want positive, it was good to see Pickett hit some form and get through the game with no major injuries.

Yep. Had a horrific turnover in the first minute of the match too.

I guess I just realise how hard our fixture is coming up: Brisbane Twice, Fremantle Twice, Geelong in Geelong, Sydney, Carlton , Bulldogs. We need to start showing our offensive side because we're not playing well enough at the moment. So many errors by foot and dumb decisions going forward.

It's been hopeless all season. hopeless against Gold Coast, Essendon, Hawthorn, Port and now WCE. That's the majority of games. Against Port we should've won by 100, instead we lost the 2nd half. somehow

This is a perfect example of how a trend of not getting out of 2nd gear has now become a habit where we now can't kick goals. It's concerning. The skill level forward of centre was hopeless.

Petracca is going nowhere near my top 6. So many kicking errors and confirmed as one of the worst shots on goal in the AFL. 9.16 for the season now. 1 of his goals gifted to him by the umps too. 6. Pickett 5. Viney 4. May 3. Brayshaw 2. Langdon 1. Tom Mcdonald

This is terrible football. There goes our only chance of the season to belt a team and enjoy great percentage. bloody hopeless

We say all the right things when interviewed like 'we respect the opposition' etc. and then we have a VFL reserves quality team smack us for a quarter and a half.

No. we don't know how to kick goals because we don't know how to play offensive football.