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Buckley a no for me. Leppitsch a big yes! 

A freshen up is critical. 2 new assistants I think. Whether Yze stays or goes. 

Hopefully Simon has some time to critically assess his performance (maybe with the help of others). Accept his weaknesses, and look to bring in assistants who can compensate. 
 

On 9/14/2022 at 9:04 AM, dazzledavey36 said:

Really disappointing to hear that we're set to recontract Jake Melksham. Michael Hibberd I can understand because he has been consistent with his form all year, but Melksham..?

He's last couple of games showed that he's just past it. Other then the Carlton game he didn't much in any other games and he was incredibly poor against Sydney.

Played as the 2nd tall forward forward so that alone has chewed games off Jacob Van Rooyen who once again justified on the weekend that he was physically ready to go.

He's going to be 32 next year and our focus needs to be on the next wave of talent coming through like Laurie, Chandler, Bedford and Moniz-Wakefield. 

If we can get an extra list spot to bring in another developing tall forward/ruckman then surely that makes more sense then keeping washed up 32 year old forward flanker.

 

Agree classic mates deal. It pays to be mates with the coach. 

16 hours ago, coconut said:

I think this is at least part of the answer.

September specials: Tightest finals series in more than two decades (afl.com.au)

The amount of free kicks paid to the team behind.   

I think Tigers have probably had it worse than anyone.  In Lions v Tigers first final I counted 23 free kicks in first 3 quarters to team behind to 10 free kicks to team in front.  Reversed in the last quarter 4 to 3.  

Dees v Sydney qualifying final, first 3 quarters, team behind 17 free kicks to 11 for the team in front.  Last quarter 3 free kicks to the team behind to 6 free kicks to the team in front (of course we were behind for most of that quarter).  

Dees v Lions semi-final, team behind in first 3 quarters 16 free.  Team in front 15 free kicks.  Reversed 6 to 4 in last quarter.

Freo v Pies semi-final, first 3 quarters team behind 23 to i think 14 team in front.  

I think it's like this (haven't looked at all of them) for most of our home and away losses.  I think Freo was the only team that really got a hold of us.  

Anyway i suspect teams are aware of this focusing on a territory game - playing forward half, better to give a free kick away as far as possible away from goal.  

And I don't think i counted more than 2 free kicks for us in a row all season, certainly for our losses, has a WWE vibe to it for me. Do the umpires pay what they see?  Or are they umpiring the score?  

Its not just us, Pies had it rough in that first quarter last week v Freo 10 to 4. 

I am not saying it's the only reason for the fade outs, but more than a co-incidence that so many games go right down the wire now and we can't hold a lead and yes of course kicking straight.  I think Pies are managing this umpiring really well.  So it can be done.  

I will add really confident that these next 2 finals will have at least for the first 3 quarters, more free kicks to the team behind.

If there is nothing in it and all 4 teams are on.   I am picking Brisbane v Sydney for the Grand Final.  

  

The AFL is a corrupt socialist organisation. Nothing would surprise. 
 

On 9/10/2022 at 12:15 PM, The heart beats true said:

After we won 10 straight? Doubtful 

Prior to round 1 last year the job was probably 70% his. Would say we would have made a change if we started the year poorly in 2021. The rest is history. 
 

On 9/10/2022 at 9:09 AM, Demon17 said:

If that happens it tells me the club haven't matured one iota.

The real issue is the test now on Goody to re-set the team and coaching strategies and style to take the list deep into 2023. The window can't be wasted with the talent we have at present.

The next 1 to 2 years will now tell us if Goody has it or not.

Move him on and we DO become a laughing stock again.

Over to you Simon.

He apparently has a good relationship with the players, so keep him as the face. But build around him and cover his weaknesses (which is hard with the soft cap)

need to cover 

- his poor match day strategy & moves

- his lack of ability to identify issues with the game plan, and be flexible enough to come up with solutions

- lack of experimentation. Why didn’t we try and fix obvious issues this year? 

- forward 50 connection 

anything else? 

Just now, dees189227 said:

what was actually in the message?

In fairness, it was a nice respectful message supporting her son, and thanking the club, supporters and everyone. Was on Facebook, or a few pages back in this thread. 

I am just a little bitter. As I said, if she gave us a few days grace, am sure we would have handled the message better 

6 hours ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Great work.  Thanks @Watson11.

I'll leave it to others to interpret your graphs for loading purposes.

From the graphs, with a few exceptions there is little doubt that from round 10 2022 we were worse in all three measures.  Round 11 2022 was when our injuries started, some players were ill and we had three losses in a row.  We didn't get a full 14 day bye.  Progressively from round 11 our injury toll mounted.  I won't list all the players but the list is long and it kept growing especially knee and foot injuries.  It meant fewer fully fit players had to carry more of the work load.  Not sure where the breaking point is on a player or a team but we hit it.

The error in our ways imv is we didn't use our VFL players enough to give the injured players a decent spell to rehab with the side benefit of getting some experience into the next group of players.

I'm sure there are many other factors that caused the 2022 drop off after round 10 and equally sure the club will go through those in great detail.

Correct. 
apologies to you LH! We had some discussions earlier in the year, and with the benefit of hindsight you were correct, and I was wrong. 
 

7 minutes ago, Pirlo said:

His mum's message on Facebook is very sweet, although it does pretty much confirm that his head hasn't been in it all year.

I must have a wooden heart. I saw minimal sweetness, and maximum “mummy got what she wanted, the rest of you can get stuffed” 

5 hours ago, bobby1554 said:

Oh please.....so Max couldnt have spent that 15 minutes at the centre bounce against a geriatric Martin?

Ahhh no, there was not much evidence of Max being able to create 3-4 centre clearance generated goals within a couple of minutes 

46 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

This doesn’t sit quite right….

Too soon Melissa, please let us digest your decision for your son until the end of the week at least. 

2 minutes ago, Deetention said:

Dees surely must demand no less than;

Freo - Young and Pick 13

West Coast - Pick 2 and 20

Agree with both!

3 minutes ago, Winners at last said:

I've been totally blindsided!! Did anyone else suspect he was going to leave?   😉

I hope the Club doesn't accept some lame offer from Freo. If they can't offer something decent, let him take his chances in the draft. Not sure what compensation we'd receive. He was a #3 draft pick. Rising Star winner, premiership player with 2 years of development. Despite his indifferent form this year, the compensation should be at a very high level.

“Indifferent form this year” this comment is only relative to sky high expectations.

Dominated a few games this year. As a 20 year old ruckman that is huge in itself. 
 

This absolute numpty WCE supporter from Subiaco just rang up SEN, saying how much he wants Jacko - said ruckman take time, he has won rising star etc etc, then said he would only want to offer pick 20 and first rounder next year.

Are you sure you want to live in Perth with these kind of people Luke? 
 

214 pages to get to here. 
how many pages before a signed deal?

Sportsbet have the over/under line at 267 pages. 

1 minute ago, deespicable me said:

Just a couple of points.

1. Jackson is going home to be a part of his family and build his life in Perth. His family are into Fremantle. As a consequence, there is very little chance of him going to West Coast. The only reason West Coast get involved and we keep that negotiation open is to try and secure a better deal. Those two teams hate each other.

2. The Grundy negotiations involve two factors, how much salary Collingwood will pay and draft picks. So if they pay $400,000 per year of his ongoing salary and we take up $600,000, then we would have to offer up a pick around 10. If it's only $200,000  Collingwood pay and we carry the rest (god forbid) then theres a point where they should be giving us a pick.

Whats the equilibrium???? For me I don't really want to pay much more than about $500,000 a year for Grundy and he's worth about pick 25-30. 

I don't think that will satisfy Collingwood and I hope we don't get shafted. I don't like the deal. Leave them in a world of pain.

Could we tell Collingwood we will do the deal, but then pull out at the last minute when it’s too late for them to sort something else out to get their other deals done?

Yes, I know. Am still angry. 

Just now, Docs Demons said:

We all have our own opinions and that is fair enough. I hope he becomes a star but presently every one is talking up his potential and that is all it is at present.

He is 20 turning 21, won a rising star, turned a grand final, and has still played some dominant games this year, despite not meeting some people’s expectations.

Some of the games greatest rucks weren’t even getting a game at 20 y.o (including Max). 

Most of his weakest performances have been since R15 this year, when he has been injured. 
 

If you wish to talk him down, please wait until we have locked in the trade. Thanks :) 
 

5 minutes ago, old dee said:

Don't you love that word" Learnings" I haven't heard it from the FD in recent times.

Sometimes the joys in life are small but welcome.

My favourite “learnings” reference

https://www.titusoreily.com/afl/the-monday-knee-jerk-reaction-afl-finals-week-two2022

“Simon Goodwin has talked a lot about learnings this year, but a key learning had not been learnt, that his forward like works about as well as the Covid Safe app.”

3 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

That was 12 months ago.

They can do whatever they like now..

PTSD. Melbourne and our people are not the same unfortunately. 
 

8 minutes ago, Demon3 said:

Lol.. Edmund et al will just say whatever they like at this time of the year with zero accountability or real facts. Of Course Port will ask the question, reckon every side will.

And how in the heck would he know that Kozzy doesn't love Melbourne..  I mean, who would tell him that.. oh I know.. Port Adelaide

AFL Germilists are bad most of the time, but at this time of year.. its peak season for which tree wants to be the highest in the forest of F/wits

 

Lot of pressure from their bosses to come up with “x” amount of trade snippets per day over the next little while.

Imagine a Germilist telling his editor he has nothing. Can imagine the editor replying “you are telling me you have trawled the hundreds of pages on forums like big footy and demonland and you couldn’t come up with anything?” 

3 minutes ago, darkhorse72 said:

I would argue most of our players were playing sore I the later part of the season.  

People do seem to be under rating his ability based upon the last section of the year, but he wasn't alone in trying to be consistent in his standard of play.

When the dust settles, I wonder if the club will clarify or shed some light on just how big a factor players carrying injuries was this year. If that was the major driver of the fade outs, and we fill the list deficiencies (key forward etc), then you could easily put together a bullish case for next year (assuming they aren’t ongoing injuries)  & assuming Simon + the FD do actually learn from the “learnings” and enhance our “method” 

58 minutes ago, Docs Demons said:

Yep for 15minutes or so and has done next to nothing this season. In fact after his last 2 games I would drop him plus may others. Potential is a bad word IMO. He maybe a champ and maybe a chump. No one knows not even the learned demonlanders. If he stays good but if he goes then we get the best possible outcome and onwards we go.

Gee some people have short memories. 

After R10, the talk was Gawn/Jackson was one of the best 2 man ruck combo’s the game has ever seen. 

He has played some dominant games this year, some games where he was a perfect compliment for Gawn, and sure a couple of shockers in the past 1-2 months.

Jacko hurt his knee R15, and word is he has largely been playing injured since. Plus it’s not overly surprising that his attitude may slip given the trade situation. 

He will be a star of the comp, there is very little doubt about this. No point talking him down, just because he has decided to leave. Reminds me of some mates venting about their ex-wives after they left. 
 

12 minutes ago, Colm said:

I’m thinking a lockdown defender to replace Hibbert will be very high on the list of priorities for the club as well. 
We tried to move up the draft last year to get Wilmot which would of cost both of our first two picks. 
We were also trying to land Maynard before that. 
With JVR starting to come good and hopefully a full fit Tmac  like you I’m not so sure we would throw pick 2( if we were to get it) at one key forward. 

Disagree. A key fwd is easily a greater priority than a lockdown defender. 

JVR is not a guarantee. Remember how much hope we had for a young Weeed. And even if he breaks through next year, TMAc and BB are getting on, and will have ongoing injury risk. So we will need another KF to compliment JVR. 

I think Petty the saviour could be that key forward. But also wouldn’t be surprised if the FD wants to keep the successful backline trio of May/Lever/Petty together. At least we know that when we are next facing an end of season game, Petts might get another 5 or so minutes as a forward to kick a goal or two and a couple of goal assists. 
 

7 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

If he requests to head home to WA, not Freo specifically, then straight swap for pick 2 from West Coast should be the most even and straight forward deal ever conceived. 

We get pick 2, use it at draft for Cadman (gun and Victorian) as a key forward to be part of our forward line for a decade to come. No go home factor. Best tall forward in the draft. 

West Coast get their NicNat ruck replacement with a decade of service ahead as a top level AFL ruckman with a unique skillset to play other roles if required. Former pick 3, Rising Star winner and premiership player. 

Win win for both clubs IMO.

Nope.

was a pick 3 with huge risk. Has shown enough to be way more valuable than just pick 2 now.

be pick 2 and another top 20 pick or player.

2 hours ago, Kent said:

Still dont think he will go

Media speculation is ridiculous.  Jack has said nothing!

Dees will meet with him soon and re-sign in my view

He is gone Kent. Can just about take it to the bank.