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Why were there 30 odd photos 2 days last week P2J ? Club snd AFL provided these So no real reason that Covid is influencing this pArt of our pre season In fact more are likely to show interest because if the draft trade and I believe the Ckub already gaining momentum From Williams Yze etc and our New recruits mystery aspect. We are missing our regular Goschs training gurus due to distance but some will/ may emerge as the new year and Senior players start training in January.

Pauli Z I only quoted the forwards careers we lost through Injury home sickness and other reasons Gary had his broken leg but had a long career with the Dees not spoilt like players on that list Look at their lowish game totals ! No Lloyd or Dunstall or Lockett high games totals there except for Schwartz !!

Answer to The Chazz ( And Paulo May be interested) First of all Chazz you have fallen fir the 3 card trick! Automatically dismissing Any player BELOW 180 cm ( 6 ft) and calling a 179 cm recruit a "MIDGET". That is why we haven't got a rounded list because our 181cm to 185 cm wingers and half forwards and the occasional below 180 cm players haven hit the role nailed due to skills and major impact qualities to succeed. Garlett had speed and Elusiveness Do he was a good choice. Flash Davey and Austin Wonnamirri also had pace and ball skills. But ANB Hannan and many others have only a limited ability to play that role. IF you viewed the highlights of both Laurie and Bowey it stood out like thevproverbial their pace elusiveness ball handling evasion and side stepping skills, kicking for goals and the thirst for the contest plus Bowey can take a mark! Most of these skills are Inborn In each player and are natural to their method of play So they don't have to learn like ANB Does without Any particular highlight and having got the ball his conversion is dodgy at best. Oh and all their coaches the AFL gurus Sheehan and Twomey plus JT have seen enough to know that although they are smallish in Stature that their elite disposal skills are also a huge part of their game. Spargo is IMO a good distributor of the ball but doesn't at this stage impact the game hugely. Kossie tuns well Is lightning quick and is learning his craft and will be a good/ great player fir us. BUT Laurie and Bowey are professional style potential elite A graders with bells and whistles ie many tricks that can play wing HFF FP centre and even hBF and maybe on the ball During their career. Writing them off is like saying a Small horse can't win or that a small player can't bowl. Sport is diversified these days and think of Caleb Daniel by 2 (even better msybe) with Kossie and Spargs improving our smalls can be a strength instead of an obvious weakness in numbers and class. Oh just to complicate we look like having a 194cm versatile winger come forward and maybe CHB or flanker intercepting In the team, with elite endurance and pace for his size. Should he bible verse a key position player then due to his height ? 22 players are a team and it's how they coexist and perform ie with a gxme plan that still needs improving that will enable us to rise to the level required to Win that elusive flag/s that both you and I yearn For every year., not whether we have 3 under 180 cm or 5 (Tigers have 8 in their team) in that lineup that triumphs.

Can't help thinking worrying about next year is unwise snd stress inducing. Each year we manufacture high picks and if Josh M has left one legacy that is it. We also have had good results in the trade period recently so we manage to say in the hunt even if our No 1 oicksste evident in advance.

Dean almost cruised around and was still getting used to AFL before his career was over. Over the years the Dees have not had much luck with "elite forwards' Injury snd other reasons have shortened their career so much so this I believe almost more than any other is a genuine reason Why this flag drought continues. Examples of the above are Schwartz Jurrah Jackovich Charles Farmer Dean Stephen Smith (his Hamstrings were dodgy ) Hogan Pike Mark Jackson a skinny tall player who kicked 6 one day surname or first name was Glen I think can't remember his Complete name) .Other fans could add but I are just remembering while typing this post. Biggest single factor was Schwartz whose 3 knee recos killed his amazing agility and movement. I will go to my grave confident that given a free reign from injury David would have been just as good as Wayne Carey and 1998 and 2000 and other seasons may have turned out different! BTW Schwartz played in the Reserves (or whatever they were called ) and showed his skill so much so that I said to my family at the time he would be our next CHF. We know his story and still feel for him as he was virtually cut Down in his prime but bravely played on really only a shadow of that 1994 glimpse. Letssee what happens in the next 5 Years starting in 2021.

Why they might Not want to!!!

HUN have story that Pies are Paying $1.5 mill so which paper is right?

Same as Lions In 2005 after their three peat although Clarko/Wright have not used the Annual Draft well nor the players they have recruited since 2016. Mitchell the best to date but some are still injury prone ( Patton Scully) and or inconsistent (Windgard).

Heretia Lamumba (Harry O'Brien)

Trust me I think we have more of team needs with the two smalls plus theX factor of Rosman. Time will tell however but I am not in any way disappointed with our 3 selections and again give JT and his team a huge tick and can't wait to see the results to add to the development of Jacko, Kossie and Riv.

Good observation P2J yes that would be great for Salo to explode along with our youngsters improving plus even the new draftees.

Sorry forgot about James who wasn't handled the best really. Thanks.

P2J sorry but you obviously missed the last 5/6 games in 2020. Go back and watch the Giants game and look at it fairly and watch Salem's impact On the play, speed, and ground cover ( into Forward line). He was very unlucky to not get one of the Votes that night. Yes he has cruised a bit too much in the past but with his extra fitness gained from his USA trip with Trac his last games in 2020 were by far his best as a block. The penny seems to have dropped and I believe He is on the way to being an A grader impacting in a major way and that's why I would play him on a wing occasionally HFF and a stint in the ball. With Bowey Laurie and Rosman all looking good prospects this may not need to happen to get pace snd skill forward and centre.

Whose Junior?

Salem is he injured ???

The facilities are far better there than Goschs with the new rooms and ground surface state of the art. Have you seen them yet? Please don't put a largely personal opinion As if it has affected the playing group. Yes if you asked most they would prefer the City location but you could not compare the facilities in any way to Goschs with all the Govt money spent in the upgrade at Casey.

DS I don't care whether you or any other poster provide evidence of your claims re Holmes perhaps in the wash up you should also consider these matters that in your opinion "This basket case of a Club who hasn't won a flag for a million years" did around the draft preceding and up yo the night. 1. Due to some Very smart pick swapping Luke McCrae was only missed by Cwood ahead of us taking him snd he had been in discussions as the style of mid we were after But was thought to be more of a chance to go earlier. 2. For whatever reason/s it was reported that Jack Carroll would be our first selection of pick no 18. (Was I fact not taken till about in the 40's not by us even at 34) How do you explain we didn't take him? Fake news or leaking??? 3 3. Geelong yes did steal Holmes but I rather subscribe also to the theory we may have tried to divert our interest in FRASER ROSMAN with our third pick, who while the most speculative pick in the first 35 (Holmes was also relatively speculative for that matter) We shall see over the next 5:6 years who is the winner here! 4.we had been linked to JAKE BOWEY more for our third pick mainly for outside run and as a winger/forward I would say but we also went for a similar Smaller Type if not better rated snd who has a footy IQ "through the roof" in BAILEY LAURIE. Many would have thought That Carroll might be taken here or even at No 34!!.Not to be. 5. So after all your Hoo Ha and criticism I consider we did a brilliant cover up job to get the two best smalls for elite skill and disposal ( Jason Taylor made no bones we were looking for this type of player). 6. Lastly we swooped on Rosman when Carroll was still alive. Mission accomplished !!! 7. Our choices like all other draft selections are subjective And now the next years will see whether Carroll Or Holmes Shape up or our Outside smalls ( which no one can argue against on a needs Basis) and the X factor of a 194cm winger/forward are heroes famously In the Red and Blue and premiership stars to boot, ( we hope). 8. I am thrilled with our selections that's why I don't give a rats About your Over the top assertion of a half century of Mismanagement because we needed theses smart elite smalls to gry badly needed skill and movement Into a very much work in progress forward line. 9. Stop and think of the options now TALLS Ben Brown Weid Tommy Mac Jacko Mitch Brown and Rosman! MEDIUMS Trac Fritta Melky Gus Clarry Harmes Sparrow SMALLS Kossie Bedford ANB AVB Chandler/Neitshke Spargo Viney and Laurie and Bowery!! 10. In summary a Basket Case that has Mark Williams Drooling over his job ahead and former Dee YZE heroe of the 90's and early 2000"s returning plus elite fitness and performance staff is a half a GLASS FULL and not the empty basket case you Described.

Quite obviously you haven't read the profiles of Bowey and Laurie or watched closely the highlights, Sydee. Both look miles ahead of even Kossie in their games highlights as they run dodge move smoothly and mark and pass surely no fumbles etc etc and kick goals. And the best thing esp about Laurie Is his elite footy brain but Bowey is also composed and highly competitive like Laurie as they Link up between backline centre and finish off with goals as only Trac does of our midfielders to date. To be honest Without downgrading any of our small forwards/ winger types both would Be in my Round1 team if fit and healthy and promising in the practice games. Even ahead of Kossie (really This shouldn't happen.ideally). And I am not underestimating Rosman who I believe will be a wonderfully versatile winger and firward or even intercept centre half back Or flanker at times. He has plenty of boxes ticked Size pace Marking goal scoring smooth mover and looks a reliable kick of a long distance. Size won't be the reason Sydee, these two are the best of the smalls as Indicated by Laurie nearly BOG On the Final in 2019 for the Chargers. Your all sowing your MFC SS: to delude you that small as we have recruited for years Is not great. All three will succeed because of their ability and determination plus football smarts and attitude. Of course you are entitled to express your view and opinion but I don't believe it's on the mark from anything I have seen in their interviews highlights and opinions of Sheehan Twomey and Taylor.

Reasons OD ????

In the photo up top Fraser has his polo on inside out? Hope he doesn't do that with his Match day Guernsey!!! Probably overwhelmed a little eh??? The sky is the limit for the Rosman!

Sorry Bowey and Rosman.

We need another winger and any one of the three with the smalls further developed. Half back is ok if Lockhart is used in BP and Riv and Hibbo/or Salem HBF. Personally I would like Salo on HFF but to Me both Bowery and Laurie Gould take a flank and wing. Rodman might need a few games At Casey to acclimatise but looks a forward also. Suddenly we may have very good flexibility across Back wing and flanks with Rodman also a versatile tall as an X factor from centreline down. Good night And nearly had McCrae and Holmes but I wonder if we might just be much better balanced fir speed and skill with Bowery Laurie and Rodman. Wonder also if we should have pick swapped early on to get MCcrae or Holmes especially. But overall I am happy the route we went down and it ends hopefully a long period of skill and speed Lacking. Now with Kossie it's going to be a group of forwards and mids hard to pin down fir all the game and in various positions.

Might look awkward but the crucial factor is his drop and if that's ok then the ball will go straight. If his drop is too awkward and slow Then he will be caught holding. From the highlights he Probably didn't kick a classical drop punt but he seemed totally comfortable In his disposal and like in cricket if it is a trait that succeeds font changes it. Ie if it ain't broke don't fix it. Alls good I reckon as he played on and that's far better than what Gawny does.

Yes legs might be a worry but neither looked timid or slow in the highlights so I think we have broker a couple of goers who will find their feet early on. They look as though they both have some smarts yo add to our mix.

Spargs will look quick in tandem with these new recruits plus Kossie. No one will or should be stationery on our forward line in 2021 otherwise they will be on the bench and not going back on fir a whole! Not sure about Tommy Mac yet but we will wait and see!!