Kev

Phil Carmen, John Tilbrook, Karl Ditterich, Cromwell, Moore, Templeton, Nettlefold, Wilson, how many finals matches? Buying success. How many have jumped, Wells, Alves, many others because we don't get on field success.

But it is not working for us. We remain underachievers, we lack coherence, cannot attract free agency players to the MFC, have board troubles, players are arguing with each other, many selfish acts on the field, not enough sacrifice for the betterment of the team. Now less in the salary cap. Did you see Clarrys kicking last week? Did you see the disruption Tracc caused to the team? Kossie plays a selfish game, and can be inconsistent, though brilliant, I reckon. Can we build a team around him? Let's hope so. His management has got maximum from the cap. Has he sacrificed much? Does it encourage us to be a destination club. Will it help the other players be happier? Gee, he would want to have a good year next season, and drag us back into the top 8 if not top 4 of the comp. I think we have underachieved and have overly rewarded those doing that. We are going backwards.

Sorry Axis, you lost me when you started talking about Richmond players. How do I know were they stand as players within the pecking order, and the contracts they have. Also, I thought we were having a dialogue and that moved further from top players and bottom six. There is a stereotype out there, a cliche that got quoted to me from Collingwood supporter on the weekend. "Our bottom six better than your bottom six", and that is why we win. I have heard it before. Word of mouth rebuttal, I have no direct evidence. As for getting the best from that bottom six, I believe that the top players (if not excessively renumerated), make the bottom better, as they bring them into the game, and assist with the weaknesses. The lack of space in cap to deliver the middle players a better contract if earned, causes waves. The expectations of the top, who do not live up to it, leave a dissatisfaction.

Sure, if their heart is not with us, and the thing that holds them loyal is money, my belief is that they can go and someone else will take their place. If the big contract players were the answer to our woes, wouldn't we be doing well already? Poor distribution of the slice of pie, leads to dissatisfaction. Others may believe different to me, but we are an underachieving club, and there has been a poor culture for some time. With Kossie now on a big contract will we change and meet more of our potential? My guess is no.

Sure, I am coming with views and opinions based on my life's experience. To call them "Deep end", or "unrelated", is just personal attacks.

We all know that those from higher Ginis want to go to those with lower Ginis. Those who belong in higher Ginis are vulnerable to exploitation from those who are at the top within the Ginis.

When you cut up the pie, some get more than what is expected (not saying even distribution), it will lead to rocking the boat and jumping off it. We had to big salaried players who became entitled and did that anyway. Can we keep the likes of Rivers, McVee, Turner, Bowey, Lindsay, Langford, who look like they may take the next step and become elite? Can we afford and will we attract elite players to our club, without a "war chest"?

The question is though, does the Gini Coefficient correlate with more or less dissatisfaction and success within the group.

Enumerational equality could smooth out the conflicts humans have. The bigger the gap in enumerations and status then the more likelihood of disturbances.

A team that want to play for each other. The club is always bigger than the individual.

So are we Premiership favourites next year, with the big buck players? We cannot even get in the top 8, with the big buckers! Why are we underachievers?

Elitism has got the whole world into trouble. They aren't much better than others. We succeed when we work well together.

I haven't read much of this thread. My thoughts on Kossie is we paid too much and for too long. Geelong became a destination club partly due to the stars not getting the most out of their salary. Sacrifice led to success. I think there is alot of selfishness in our club, many playing for themselves. We have an overblooted top end and Kossie now joins them. If they were getting us wins when needed I wouldn't be so critical. We are underachievers, the players are comfortable, and lack the ability to make each other better. They sell this year as being of love, previous years it was brand or cohesion. Seems like they continue to fail at the rhetoric. Having an unequal approach to the players in terms of enumerations, will end in vexation from a few. The club only succeeds when we are less selfish, difficult for the 43 to be in it together. Will we be a destination club, with a restricted cap? We have become a get out here type of club. The level of bottom 6 of the best 22, is often a determinant of success. Past evidence of Tracc and Clarry have shown that these kind of contracts haven't worked out well. Beyond the effect on the other players, those on that kind of contract become a disruption and unappreciative.

The MFC updated the training schedule, unfortunately they didn't post anything about the Adelaide Captain's Run. @Rossmillan

Sunday June 15, round 14 game at Adelaide Oval Therefore the Captain's run is on Saturday June 14. In Alice, the start time of the Captain's run was ⏰ 9:30am - 10:15am 📍 TIO Traeger Park 🏃‍♂️ Session type: Pre-Game Captain's Run ✍️ Signing session post-training I would assume the same times at Adelaide oval. The Captain's run at Casey is usually from 10am The club will post before the event: https://www.melbournefc.com.au/teams/training-times @Rossmillan

Cold and damp, just a slight drizzle falling intermittently. Kossie appears the only sensible one out there. Well rugged up, in boots, minimal participation, had a walk around the boundary line, then some shots at goal. Some decided they didn't need boots, wearing runners and slipping everywhere. Gave a few of the others a laugh. Turner was kicking beautiful goals from 40 out. Rivers working seriously on his routine straight out from 40. Lindsay also working well, he appears to want to nail his first. Bowey kicking them from the boundary line, also giving the inside-out a go, getting close every time. Max and Lever, kick to kick, Oliver and Fritsch also together. Oliver doing warm-ups (stretches and resistance) to his hip, groin, and upper thigh area. 8 Mannequins were out, (don't think that about some players), placed 25 meters out covering all angles. They have done a fair bit of work, I reckon on the goal drills, and continue to show more is being done in the application. General feel is one of, you know, subdued, tension, with various groups connecting with each other, and some joviality. In the shelter, a group of families hung out. My guess they were an invited group. As the players came off the Paddock they asked for selfies and signatures. Players seemed happy to comply.

He reckons I am not qualified to make comments at odds to the highly trained MFC employees and the associated programs. They know, and I am yelling at the clouds. I know, I am yelling at the clouds.

I believe that is one of our problems, the two runs a week they don't have to be focused. There are some things that need structure, feedback and discipline (kicking). I want as close to perfection or at least everytime being switched on when practising, especially the day before the game, and working on the process after reviewing the previous game. Bing181 goes at me because I feel that way about these giggle runs.

Take any and every opportunity to improve in an area where we are not at a reasonable standard. I'd keep them on the track until they focus and get close to a repeatable skill, anytime they cross that white line at all trainings. What would an extra 15 minutes (unless it becomes an all-nighter 😀) in their schedule make anyway?

I think it is the program. Time spent, does not equate to a system that gets results. Most of the time it appears chaotic out there. Only a few working seriously, "fun and games", miracle shots, players challenging each other, distracting and rushed, flying under the radar, no obvious accountability to misses. We have a problem with a basic and primary skill, highly correlated to being able to win games. We have a pattern that shows up regularly gameday. I reckon, something about our program has to change.

"They actually don’t get a choice, they’re told who goes where, when and what they have to do next. It does look unstructured to us, but it’s actually not." @Ghostwriter Bit sceptical about that. I've heard them say that, "they have another few minutes" before having to head back to AAMI. My guess, is they can if they want to, practice. They would give a general instruction, such as be back at AAMI by this time, not you can stay and you go. Cannot be Tracc and a few other regulars, who they instruct to be the last ones out there kicking for goals, or for Clarry to help pick up the gear. A few, including Max who rarely does the after session (when the double whistle blows) optional practice. They wouldn't advise them to do that. I could be wrong, but that would be over micro-managing them.

My statement about being too cold for them, was "tongue in cheek", and a bit churlish. Probably left quickly because it was a late finish for them (nearly 4pm), and perhaps they had other evening things to do. Given the goal misses in Alice, my expectations weren't met.

I thought you meant that goal kicking practice would exhaust them for gameday. "No point practising skills (or goal kicking) if come gameday you're too stuffed to execute them." Now I get your point. A kicking program could have them running hard and then settling into routine of a kick at goal, and repeating the efforts. Why are we missing goals in the early part of game if fatigue is the problem? A confident, repeatable kicking routine helps when fatigued. Yesterday the seconds (all AFL listed) did some goal kicking, all in one line, over the mannequin, 35 out, slight angles, taking turns. I was right behind the goals. The result, not much better than our gameday effort, disappointing. Two of them stayed out when the session ended, with Williams instructing, Brown and Billings, they were having trouble, they finished without really solving the problem. They could have stayed out there till they got it right, or at least got it better. Don't let any of them leave the Paddock until a basic standard or personal standard has been reached. Something has to change. Aditt: Just my observations, (please don't shoot the messenger), and my interpretation may differ from others.

Repeating and repeating goal kicking doesn't seem too exhausting. They have people who kick the ball back to them. It is not like they have to run a 200m if they miss. Many of them actually compete with each other, keep score, so their focus is on each other rather than sense what is not right, or what works. Other times they try the miracle shots, inside out reversing swing from outside the boundary. Wow, when they cannot execute from 40m on slight angles. MFC is poor at kicking goals. I would love to see them have a disciplined structured approach. It is not about being too stuffed physically. It is the program. Also, the running programs as compared to previous seasons isn't as extensive. The running other than in warm-ups seem to be much less. Could be all behind doors and closed sessions. The tackling program also seems to be neglected. Haven't seen any constructive tackling drills other than when given a bit more licence in the sims, since preseason finished, and I've now seen two main training sessions of late.

That was my assumption (choice to do the goal kicking, groundball gathers, or leave), since most left the Paddock after the whistle got blown to end the session.