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lol nah jason taylor and josh mahoney know what they are doing. It's funny how everyone thought we got ripped off by only getting pick 31 for watts. Looking back, Port adelaide got ripped off and we got pick 31 (Fritsch)

oh. my bad! i feel like everyone is against my point of view but at the end of the day I didn't start this thread and there are clearly many people that are a bit over the hogan fanfare.

Are you even looking at those team. Gold coast twice, dogs, free, stkilda twice, carlton..? wow. I could kick a bag against some of those teams. Do it when it counts. Hogan turns to water when things get tough because he is mentally weak and thats why he has failed time and time again against the good teams. I have no personal reason to not like Hogan. I like a stack of melbourne players but one thing i can't stand is slackness and lack of work rate.

Just putting up an argument to fit your point. Melbourne had some great wins last year without Hogan also. It's not just this year. Hogan's 1 on 1 contested work isn't anywhere near where it used to be. He falls to the ground too easily, plays for frees far too much and wrestles with players he doesn't need to. Mentioning Viney alongside Hogan is embarrassing. Viney gives 100% each week. Hogan fluffs around acting tough and whining and staging. Sure he kicks enough goals, due to our high inside 50s, but I'm sorry sometimes goals alone aren't enough. You need defensive pressure in this day and age. Just look at buddy franklin and the way he chases out of D50. or Josh kennedy. Hogan is often still whingeing when the ball is in his area and that's a disgrace. I don't give too much credence to people's knowledge of footy on this board. I wanted to get rid of Watts 5 years ago and predicted that he wouldn't play well and that our pick 31 would be a better player. People like you probably wanted him to stay. I was the one wanting Frost and Harmes in the team from day dot. I was the first one to question Petracca's kicking when everyone else was still star struck by his draft position. I've got so many runs on the board. And yes, I would prefer to have guys like Hannan, Harmes, Fritsch etc. than anyone who doesn't give 100%. One thing I got wrong is that I thought we would miss finals. The only thing i'm happy to be wrong about!

Couldn't find it on the last 2 pages but all i know is that he has kicked 4 or 5 goals from 5 games against top 8 teams. So I don't care what analysis is provided. The reason richmond are the best team is because they have 22 guys cracking in. Hogan doesn't.

I think you're missing the point and all people that mention he kicks 50 goals etc. are only mentioning half of the picture. Hogan's defensive pressure, 2nd efforts etc. can be disgraceful at times and his poor attitude on field can be a culture killer. Also, his kicking for goal lets us down quite a bit against the good teams. Ultimately, people can't deny that Melbourne has played with real spirit the last 2 weeks without Hogan. Losing Lever was a loss, losing Hogan wasn't a loss and was actually a gain and I called it early. You can't place a value on attitude, intensity and effort and hogan needs to really lift.

i love his athleticism. just needs to get his kicking more consistent but his form is another reason that i wanted hogan out of the team. i want hungry, desperate players and thelast 2 weeks shows the culture of all 22 applying defensive pressure.

losing hogan is no loss. probably play with real spirit now without having the staging sook inside 50m

if we do keep him i think we need to see him as just the player he is. a good average player.

lol comparing hogan to neitz. neitz was all heart. and 5 times the player

you'd trade oliver before hogan? crazy!! oliver is a best and fairest winner, likely AA this year, and maybe top 5 in the brownlow medal. And unlike hogan he tries his guts out each week. you're one of the guys that probably wanted to keep watts. Hogan is a defensive liability And his kicking is awful. when hogan misses games melbourne often plays better. i'd be more than willing to trade hogan for the right price.

is he fast? no is he a good kick? no does he apply defensive pressure? no is he a good mark? he's ok but wrestles too much. i would be all up for trading him. for those that say he is a good field kick are deluded. his ball drop is hard to watch.

i wouldve traded him earlier. poor attitude and i dont care what his set shot stats are, he is a terrible kick.

disagree. He definitely didn't mean to punch him in the face. Those swinging right hands are usually targeted into the chest/top of the jumper region but gaff missed. Gaff certainly didn't look at him and punch him in the face. not sure what vision you were watching.

agree on may. would make me sleep so well at night.

i'd much prefer to stock up for next year and work to get dylan shiel who will be out of contract. He is a lot better than gaff. He has power and pace. Would be awesome for us.

yeah, probably. i mean most of his kicks are pretty easy spot up kicks with not much risk attached. he probably cant kick too much further than 50m. I'd just much prefer to grab a key defender and alleviate the oscar mcdonald effect than to get an outside midfielder. if anyrhing i'd go for aaron hall and would almost prefer him at his money

i would. i dont rate gaff as high as others. he is poor defensively and one paced. he is just an accumulator to me with above average foot skills.

i'm unsure on weideman at this stage. Looks a nice kick but has missed some gettable goals when playing at afl level. No good picks for a while for Taylor at this stage.

I'd much prefer to keep him but whatever happens happens. We've played good footy without him and we have Tom Mcdonald who is a better player in my opinion. Averages more goals per game and a far straighter kick. No player is bigger than the club so I feel more comfortable now about Hogan threatening to move back to Perth than ever before.

the losses against hawks, rich and collingwood were due to our midfielders inability to work both ways. gaff is the worst of that lot. At the end of the day his efforts last year were close to putting him in the wafl. he is much improved this year but i haven't noticed any changes defensively.

he has a rat tail. yikes!

lol. you clearly have no clue re: harden. he literally has compilation videos on his poor defence. proof on gaff? ask any west coast fan. they didnt think he was best 22 last year after some of his efforts. i also had him in my fantasy team so i watched him like a hawk and he was extremely poor defensively.

Because he is from there and decided to not sign a long contract last time. You'd be naive not to think that there is a risk of him leaving with todays free agency culture. Very naive.

mate, brownlow is a midfielders medal. He is an accumulator for one of the best teams in the league. just because you accumulate possessions offensively doesn't mean you are not a liability defensively. It's like getting James Harden to improve your defence, the guy is a spud defensively. And similar for Gaff, he is hopeless at the defensive stuff. Have you not seen much of him play? Geez, don't get sucked in by the numbers mate, look at his defensive work. Which is what we need.