Rodney (Balls) Grinter

4 hours ago, H_T said:

What I like about it is he doesn't mince words and as he said, he's not re-writing history. GWS was born as a result of North not going to Gold Coast and the AFL having to go "bang bang" in adding a 17th and 18th team to the competition. 

He paints a very true picture of the shenanigans the Giants played up in NSW and the insults that followed. 

And Sheedy can GAGF.

Abosolutly.

I hate Sheedy as much as I hate those GW$ show ponies, but hate that $cully AH most of all.

Love Bernie, his great larrikin and clubman like attitude.  I'd like to think that there is still some loyalty left in football and I think this is a good sign of that.  In my veiw, he is one of a few players at the club that have earnt the right to finish on their terms.

On Sunday, September 17, 2017 at 9:56 PM, Dr. Gonzo said:

Would've been better off with a straight swap for Varcoe in hindsight

Not sure Geelong would agree with that (not that I really care).

It would be a pretty tight contest for worst bloke between Heritier and Mitch.

1 hour ago, Deeprived Childhood said:

Ladies and gentleman, i present you the running bounce leaderboard:

Interestingly Billy Hartung is up there too and is available.

 

Player	Club	Bounces
		TOT	AVG
1 Adam Saad	GCFC	93	4.2
2 Adam Treloar	COLL	53	2.5
3 Conor McKenna	ESS	45	2.4
4 Steven Motlop	GEEL	49	2.3
4 Heath Shaw	GWS	52	2.3
6 Billy Hartung	HAW	39	2.2
7 Charlie Cameron	ADEL	43	2
7 Jayden Hunt	MELB	43	2
9 Jarman Impey	PORT	37	1.9
10 Josh Williams	NMFC	3	1.5
11 Cedric Cox	BL	10	1.3
11 Jason Johannisen	WB	26	1.3
11 Jarrod Pickett	CARL	13	1.3
11 Paul Seedsman	ADEL	4	1.3
15 Shaun Atley	NMFC	27	1.2
15 Harry Cunningham	SYD	12	1.2
15 Shane Savage	STK	14	1.2
15 Jayden Short	RICH	19	1.2
19 Michael Walters	FRE	19	1.1
20 Rory Atkins	ADEL	24	1

Would like to see meters gained as well.  Could leading the running bounces just mean they bounce the ball more than needed?  Not all, but certainly most players on that list would be light weights in terms of impact in games.

1 hour ago, Wiseblood said:

He has pace, but we have enough half back types.  I'd rather a pure midfielder with pace if we can find one.

I recon Saad could play as a mid more so than some of our other running backs.

5 hours ago, hemingway said:

I'm not a fan of censorship of any form but I reckon it's called for regarding Watts. It has become tired and pointless. Let's leave it to the coach and FD or Jack himself. I have got to the stage where I don't want to read anything or talk about Jack Watts.  Almost don't care any more. 

Know what you are saying, but I think this thread has some purpose in so far as it provides an opportunity to look back over Jack's season in its entirety and with some detachment from the emotion of his and the teams imidiate form.  

...of course some will just use it to find fault and reasons why he should be tradded, but they should really be directed to (many) other threads that exist on those topics.

For anyone who questions Jacks intestinal fortitude, there were a few games this year that demonstrated to me that he has what it takes:

Rds 3 and 5 Vs Geelong and Richmond, where Jack almost single handedly rucked out the games against far bigger opponents.  By the end of both games he was absolutely shattered, but kept on trying;

Rd 12 Vs Collingwood - stood up and delivered when it counted.  His 3 goals 2 behinds and 5 tackles played a pretty big part of the win that day.

Rd 13 Vs the Bulldogs he was pretty good from memory, but then again, so was most of the team that day.

Rest of the season was a bit of a write off through injury and poor form, but that would also apply to many of the team, not just Wattsy.

7 hours ago, dee-tox said:

Not sure I agree Skuit with Spencer. Ten years on a list for 30-odd games. Paid probably 3 million bucks for those games. Pretty poor return on equity! 

Thing with Trenners is he seemed to lose pace in his second year. At the time I blamed excessive leg weights which they were all doing under Bailey. Not sure we'll ever know.

I think people really need to look at the context of games played Vs time at the club for Spencer with the context of the ruck position he plays:

1.  Ruckman normally take longer to develop;

2.  True ruckman are probably limited in opportunities more so than most other positions, particularly since limits to rotations has driven the trend for most teams to only play one ruckman per game (I don't see any Cox/Natanui combos going round these days);

3.  Beyond your primary ruck, most other ruckman on the list are probably considered as insurance for injury/unavailablity of the primary ruck (like any true insurance policy, our's found a loophole to avoid paying out when Gawn was injured this season!) and thus wouldn't nessasrily need/be expected to play many games per year - Jake averaged about 4-5 if you make allowance for a couple of years development up front.

Would like to know the league wide stats.

I'm actually sad to see the Spencil go.  Early in his career, he was a real liability with ball in hand (as was Nathan Jones), but I think he mostly tidyed that up in the end.  One thing that couldn't be questioned with Jake was his toughness and endevor.  He probably wasn't all that well endoured athleticly either and that somewhat probably held him back, but for a guy of his size, what do you expect.  The last few years, I thought  he was pretty close to making the grade at times.

5 hours ago, Judd's Granny said:

Ben Kennedy will only remain on list if trade for Kent is found. Kent is seeking trade, let's hope he gets one

Surely Ben Ken has got to go?  When he couldn't get a game this year at the depths of our injury woes, then that has to say something.  You'd think he has some minor trade currency for someone like GC but I wouldn't expect to see anything exciting for him, perhaps a swap of final round draft picks or something ... I'd swap him for the Son of God.

2 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

AFL club staff?  Right.

I heard that the 'Bont' wants out and has nominated the Dees as his club of choice if we can get the deal done.  Sick of the party culture.

Get it done, Dees.

38 minutes ago, McQueen said:

The way you reacted to Brayshaw self's couple of posts is not far off Satys approach mate - whether it's rubbish or not it came across as being completely OTT.

 

 

I thought the response from The Wise One was a fine bit of satire, equalling in response to the spirit that was suggested by the statement that this thread is for 'Trade Facts'... lol

Hmmm, Picks 10 and 27, put my order in for another couple of Clarrys please.

1 hour ago, RalphiusMaximus said:

This makes me sad.  Trenners looked amazing in his fist year.  Now he's been relegated to the overly long list of failed first round picks we've had in the last decade. 

I know what you are saying, but Trengove sits well above any other on that list. 

3 hours ago, DubDee said:

I reckon Gus's kicking skills are good. He is very good on his non-preferred which is a rarity and he can kick it flat and a fair distance. more importantly he has that footy nouse of knowing where to kick to advantage

he has barely had a run at it at AFL level but once he does the errors will dry up

Pretty good shot on goal too.  Delivers in pressure situations.

14 hours ago, DemonAndrew said:

his disposal is still iffy for mine

i hope he becomes the player that we want him to be, but we were all saying the same things after tyson's first year with us

Could almost have another thread on this (I assume there probably is somewhere), generally speaking, I think the kicking skills of most players is proportional to the presence or absence of pressure.  There are a few freaks in the comp like Abblet, Pendelbry etc who can reliably deliver under extreme pressure, but I really think they are the 5%ers.  For 95% of players, I think they look like either superstars or complete duds based on the form of the team, the pressure/space and options presenting in front of them.  Thus individual performance is enhaced/degraded based on team performance.

Conversely there are the other players that are in the bottom 5% by foot.  I certainly wouldn't put Brayshaw in that category either.  I would almost say that Viney is in the bottom 5% by foot, but his impact to the team is made up in other ways.  My perception is that with Tyson is that it is all in the head as I've seen him execute brilliantly in periods, but absolutely appalling on others.  No better example of this psychological aspect to kicking than our Rd 23 game against the Pies, Tyson, Garlett, Gawn, T Mac and probably others had absolute shockers in that respect, when based on ability/recient past record they are much better than what was produced on that day.  Likewise Jessy and Buggy have had big/bad periods of 'The Yips'  Really does show how much of footy is a confidence/mental thing and when you have it, you have it and when loose it you loose it.

From:http://m.melbournefc.com.au/news/2017-09-06/vfl-player-review-qualifying-final

Angus Brayshaw: He had 36 disposals, including 23 contested possessions, 12 clearances and 11 inside 50s. Angus started slowly, but when we needed someone to stand-up, Gus was put in the middle of the ground and he won clearances. I thought he was best-on-ground, which was a credit to him. He really stood-up and sensed he had to do something for his team, so I couldn’t speak highly enough of his game

This guy provided a rare shining light towards the end of the season and let's hope this is a sign of things to come.  Really thought we lacked another quality genuine mid this year and Gus could well be the answer to that in 2018.

2 hours ago, Pates said:

I'm hopeful of us getting Lever and it's sounding like we're very much in the mix but I'm concerned that it doesn't fix one of the main issues we have in defence. When we come up against bigger bodied forward we seem to get bullied VERY easily. Lever doesn't strike me as a gorilla defender more atn intercept marker (which can help in these situations), but we still have the issue of one on one.

I would like to see us go for a bit of a smokey trade like we did for Garlett, try to target a player with obvious talent but seems to be struggling with consistency. 

I also want us to try to hold on to our first round pick this year or at least trade into a scenario where we are in the first round. I don't think we've had a first round pick since Weids.

I agree completely, but if I recall correctly, reason we didn't have a first round pick last year was because we traded it as a future pick the year before to allow us to pick up both Weid and Clarry.  I'll quite happily gloat with how well that has worked out so far with respects to Clarry and hopefully Weid too in the next few years.  Does really show how valuable those first round picks can be when used well.

2 hours ago, Delusional demon 82 said:

Would be great but I think outside of a media gig he would do either of:

1. Go to Gold coast as a coach in waiting 

2. Stay at the hawks where his heart is

Speaking of hawk assistant coaches i wonder whether the club have ever approached neita or yze about coming back? Particularly yze, as he's learned from the best in clarko, his heart is red and blue and he was an elite kick which is something our midfield is presently deficient on 

It has alway irked me that they went over and have been hanging around all those yellow and brown scum.

On Wednesday, August 30, 2017 at 8:17 PM, Brayshaw Self said:

Is going to WBD

It's pretty common knowledge that Martin has one of the highest school leaving scores/IQ in the AFL.  Him going to the Dogs really would be like a rose amongst the thorns!

On Wednesday, August 30, 2017 at 1:56 PM, Is Dom Is Good said:

I thought Martin was from Qld?? Am I missing something here?

Edit: Seems he is from Victoria originally.... not sure where I got that idea from.

Probably because Spencil is from Qld.  

Getting your ruckman mixed up Dom.

56 minutes ago, bandicoot said:

Intergral to a premiership run. Great one on one, good mark, quick, agile, strong and tall. O mac, hibberd, frost and lever.

Allows t mac to play forward with hogan weid and watts 

Absolutely.  Together with all, or even some of those guys, I think it would be very difficult to match up on everyone.  I think it helps Hunt in that way to have another really pacey bloke down back.

Asides from his pace, the guy has some other valuable weapons.  As we saw this year earlier against North, Frosty is a great long shot for goal on his day and I love the way he can almost come from nowhere to put a diving spoil on, a bit like Sean Wight use to.  Just needs to keep improving and putting it all together over a whole season.

...and I'd like to see Buddy try to out run Frosty!

Just now, Earl Hood said:

What were Diesel Williams' stats for meters gained in his Brownlow years? I know they didn't do those stats then.  My memory was when he was in the middle he was a master of the quick, short handball to someone in a better position, more than kicking the ball to a position because he was so often in the centre of a dense maul of players. Clarrie seems to have potentially, a similar set of skills. 

Clarry actually handballs more often at this piont than Deisel did.  Based on that, I'd say his meters gained would be less than Deisels.  Average total disposals per game stats are similar.

Clarry best young player award - well that was predictable.

51 minutes ago, Franky_31 said:

Oscar Harmes Tysonand Hannan. Please pick a side for next week just to drop them.

Tyson was good.  One of the few for us that can hold their heads high.

13 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

No 

No

No

No

On today's effort I agree.

All we needed to do was shut down or out mucsell them in that fieat Qrt.

..but Goody still has a while to run on his tenure.

15 minutes ago, Abe said:

the umpiring was disgusting. Some of the worst I've seen. 

That's saying something, because I thought the first Qtr/half was worse.

17 minutes ago, Pates said:

Going to respond to a reply from @Rodney (Balls) Grinter

   16 minutes ago,  Pates said: 

I'd say TMac's had a mostly good year but he did two things today that could be crucial for costing us finals. That VFA level kick out, and choosing to pass it off when he had a kick from 48m out. 

He's a dumb footballer, simple as that. 

What a load of BS.

Was Tom Mc Donald solely responsable for our whole first Qtr?  That's where the game was lost.

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I agree first quarter was of course where the game was lost. But the game was in the balance at the end, we had the opportunity to come back from it or at the very least mitigate the %. He's a leader, hell he was temporary captain, he had the chance to take a kick from 48-50m out directly in front and chose to kick it to a 3 on one. 

 

This was not long after he butchered a kick out that went straight to Cox, who he proceeded to get stuck into. How about worrying about your own game Tom?

 

Perhaps unfair to say "he cost us blah, blah, blah" but FMD dead he was disgraceful with those 2 efforts (plus embarrassingly getting into Cox). 

Pates, I don't nessasrily disagree that T Mac had a major brain fade with that kick, but he was by far alone.  If we are realistic about this, then both Garlett and Gawn missed (a number of) regulation set shots in the second half that would have completely changed the whole completion of the second half.  Even our poster boy No.14 had a few shocking moments today.

T Mac may be amounget the guilty, but he shouldn't be blamed soley.  This is like the 87 prelim witch hunt all over again.  It's unbefitting.

... and we haven't even elimited our selves from the fight just yet.