dee-luded

1 minute ago, deanox said:

Freon a coaching pov it is our forward entries that are rubbish. We aren't kicking to advantage and we aren't making space for each other. 

we need a bit more midfield speed in. 

11 minutes ago, monoccular said:

If Hogan isn't sick or injured just as well we didn't offer him millions. Poor attitude

I get the feeling he is very distracted,  maybe with offers to consider?

it can't be easy atmo.

but i wish he'd just pull the finger out & go hard at the footy,  even if its from CHB.

37 minutes ago, DSP said:

That was a horrible qtr. Jesse is literally sitting behind every play in the square and sooking. Get in there mate. The rest of the fwds not much better.

up ^ ^ ^ Watts......... down v v v Hogan 

I don't like so much money in footy.

Dees > 5/4/34

Giants > 6/8/44

Dees > 5/4/34

Giants > 6/8/44

GWS starting Qtrs well.  lets see if Dees respond as the Qtr moves along

D 5/3/33

G 4/5/29

Demons > 5. 0. 30

Gws > 3. 4. 22

2 minutes ago, Sigil said:

Watts!

??

6 minutes ago, Peter Griffen said:

Just lacking Polish, we have plenty of grunt but we still haven't nailed the outside game

where are both garlett & salem starting from at bounces?

13 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

One good season is a bit over the top but it's fair to say he struggled to nail a regular spot for a long time, which doesn't necessarily mean all that much as some very good players in the history of the game have done that. He finished of 2013 well down back, was excellent in 2014 and solid enough in 2015. But new year, new times, new game plan means everyone has to earn their spot. 

Too much focus is on Dunn, not enough on Oscar. If Oscar can become a regular and Tom McDonald starts playing more like the first half of 2015 then that's exciting times for the club. I expect Dunn and Garland will push each other for a spot and keep pressure on the McDonald's to keep improving.

also if Oscar comes on well, & improves his field kicking,  & could allow TMac forward,  which puts pressure on other forwards to raise their games.

potential>

Jetta, Dunn, Frost

Trengove, OMac, Harmes

Stretch, Brayshaw, Salem

Petracca, TMac, Kennedy

Watts, Hogan, Garlett

4 hours ago, rjay said:

I think it is more the case of him being overrated by many on here in the first place.

yep the contrast within our list at that time was glaring.

6 hours ago, Good Times Grimes said:

He's still contracted until 2017. He's played 22 games and kicked 13 goals, which in my book is doing quite well for a young, undersized player picked at #40 in the draft after two years in the system.

empathy nice,  but loses finals games when applied to list management.  Creates disappointment down the track. 

Yes he's doing well to be on an afl list,  but surely we aren't here for that reason.

JKH is small,  not overly fast,  & needs more tricks to make the grade.  He needs to win more ball & be damaging with it.

2 hours ago, AdamFarr said:

Absolute load of rubbish. Revisionism at its worst. This is a bloke who couldn't nail down a position for the best part of a decade. He's played one good season. It's a fallacy to say anything else.

Dunn was atrocious until about 3 seasons ago... at best a journey type player,  he didn't want to play down back in his early career & ducked his head far too often as a forward.  he was definately a product of the soft Melbourne culture of that time. 

best season 2 years back, thought he'd turned the cortner..

I put him in the Frawley basket,  capable,  but not absolutely competent.

there is an old footy saying:   there are 'contenders',,,  & there are 'pretenders'.  those pretenders are made up of  'fools gold'  players,  & get found out.  see Melbourne finals teams circa 2000's.

2 hours ago, thevil1 said:

Maybe, as well as being slightly underdone, he is struggling with the new form of zoning we are implementing? Lynden's greatest strength as a defender has been his one on one contesting, not so much intercepting. It seems Salem's been handed the kick out duties which lessens his role also.

Anyway, I still think this is a beat up here on DL, am confident he'll be back in the side in the next week or 2, O Mac still looks a bit too green to me & Dunn has him covered with his disposal and gorilla minding, he did really well against Hawkins last year & better on Cloke than T Mac was (once the change was finally made) despite having a lesser year than 2014.

its not a beat up on DL,  & he will be back very soon.  no doubt.

but the point is he's seeing first hand,  there is no walk up start into the team.  you have to earn it,  & howe.

I think he's a few years away from captain,  & others can rise in that time to take it.

Too soon to start doin what we did to Trenners & Grimesy.

2 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

It was a very open game, from what I noticed. That suited Carlton's style quite well. In the end they just tired, stopped connecting with eachother and the ball movement broke down.

If Carlton had had any true forwards available, or simply kicked straight early on, would have been a different result.

 

Oodly, Carlton were actually ahead of Richmond for age and experience.

It is very hard to place exactly what the status of Carlton's list is - last year they had injuries and poor form limiting a number of their should-be-stars. Plus Malthouse was coaching them and much of the playing group actively hated him.

Richmond on the other hand - they have 8 very good players and then fillers.Carlton's fillers outperformed Richmond's, maybe just because they don't know they are fillers, while the two-class culture at Richmond is deeply ingrained. At least as far back as Wallace! This is why I think they'll never go all the way with this team.

true. I didn't see the first half.  but assumed it was because of the rotation numbers...  or I hoped so,  as I want to see more of that openness.  it makes fro more spontaneous creativity & excitement. 

... & less tactical from the engineers on the sidelines.

the blooz traditionally are running sides,  moreso than Tiges,  who traditionally are long kicking, high marking sides.

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47 minutes ago, Redlegs Too said:

His isn't doing penance, he is simply getting fit to the standard required by the very professional people at the club who are in charge of these things. 

yes,  but he will have to do more after his indiscretion.  & with so many players coming into contention around the same time of season,  it won't be easy to get a first game 'gig', if you know what I mean.

he will have to bust the door down at Casey for a period.

39 minutes ago, Nasher said:

Whenever I read other forums, all I see is ridiculous hyperbole, or overanalysis that draws long bows to the point of being complete nonsense. It makes me wonder if Demonland is the same and I've just become insensitive to it. Case in point in that Cotchin thread:
Big call but my impressions from him is he doesn't really care about footy. He has other endeavours. I can see him being the type to retire at 28-29. Fire in the eyes or lack of is right. I've seen him in interviews after a bad loss or bad individual performance and he doesn't come across as being angry or upset like most players.

Looks happy to just be a player. I think the responsibility of being the captain has a lot to do with it. Drained him because he's not capable.

 

3 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Pretty good analysis from a 9thmond member..

 exhibit 'A' your honor 

7 hours ago, Dee Dee said:

The Blooz surprised me last night. Richmond went in with the old "this'll be a cakewalk" attitude and boy oh boy did they get a shock. And I thought the blooz were quite good, shoulda won!

And-

Sheet, that Cripps kid goes OK

 

shoulda coulda woulda,  but didn't.

so who really deserved to win?  surely the ones who were ahead when the whistle blew.

from what I saw the blooz had enormous run & carry,  high tempo?  And run energy,  the Tiges played a bit more of a long kicking from the bits I saw. & appeared slower.

12 minutes ago, Elusive Tunbridge said:

Last year Gus was expected to play a few games at Casey, but then he kicked the door down.  I think we're going to see a repeat.

this year Gus is having to find fitness & form at Casey,  yet Oliver is the one doing the kicking of doors.

whilst the Tractor is serving penance & finding fitness at Casey.  Form unproven as yet,  apart from todays hit & giggle.

3 hours ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

I think you have larger concerns than that Biff!!

3 hours ago, Biffen said:

Yes but being seen with you in public should not be a problem anymore.

I will be wearing a groovy new beard,sunglasses and hat to avoid cringing throughout the day.

somethin'  like this  h`ensemble,  biff ?

On 09/03/2016 at 3:18 PM, beelzebub said:

With the likes of  Petracca, Hogan Oliver and already with Viney , Vince and the Bearded one we have not only players that dont fear the opposition but players who actually relish taking them on ( and apart )

This is a very different Melbourne we're seeing emerge

hopefully this will prove correct Blzb,   but lets see the pudding rise first,  before we go off before acceptances.

...  with the thinking of a block of games to gain full fitness & form at Casey,  I like 'Rnd 5' against the Tiges as a comeback game fro Petracca...   & For Trenners,  either Rnd 4 or 5 for his comeback.  Trenners already has the experience, knowledge & composure to be of benefit to the team against the Pies. 

Trac may be shy in his first game?  so start off in Rnd 5 (Tigers),  Rnd 6 (Saints),  Rnd 7 (Suns),  Rnd 8 (Bulldoggies). Rnd 9 (Lions), Rnd 10 (Port)...  I think this is a very good run in to his AFL career.

5 hours ago, Petraccattack said:

Wait, Petracca  played?

Last week Misson said he was 4 weeks away.  [censored] me dead, they could have had another 200 people in the crowd if not for misinformation like that.

Anyway great to hear , JT, Weed and TRACCA all exciting.  Would love a Petracca debut vs Essendrug, might be too early though.

 

not how I read his comment.

5 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

No he said he'd need 4 weeks of training, which he's now had and said he'd be close to this week. I didn't know if I'd see him today but they gave him the all clear. And it's nice to keep him under wraps and let Trenners have a moment in the sun. 

I expect he'll need a minimum of 2 weeks at Casey, making round 4 the earliest possible. We just have to keep being patient. 

Based on today I expect highs and lows to his form anyway. He might need to be dropped, rested or switched roles for his development. But there will be highs.

I don't know DS,, if that's what he was saying...

I took it to mean he would be 4 weeks away from being ready to play any AFL games.  

For anyone who has been listening to club comments.  They were saying last week that both Trenners & CP5  would be playing for Casey by next week in practice matches.  So how anyone hearing those reports can think its 4 weeks of training only,  I'm not sure.