John Demonic

Our big 'rival' in terms of manoeuvring ourselves up the draft order is GWS. They'll be the ones that will probably get two top 10 draft picks with theirs and holding Richmond's. They might even both be picks lower than Freo's. Edit: Right now its #3 and #7, but I think it will end up being #5/6 and #8/9. Freo I think will be #5/6

Attempt the key word. The [censored] would have to really fall out from Freo to get a high enough pick to make it enticing for an 18th placed Hawks or Eagles. As in Pick 3-4 packaged with our 2x probable Pick 15-18's. If its Pick 5-10, there's probably no chance with Hawthorn at least. WCE probably more interested due to WA player angle.

He'll end up on a Cob

Kick boxing enthusiasts

As revolting as it was to see Collingwood win. It's for the best. Moving ahead of them is in our control with a win on Kings Bday. Essendon now below us! It's important that we build on this and bank some breathing space at the top of the ladder. I can see there being a huge logjam of clubs from 3-11 this season alll within a game or two of each other coming into the final month of the regular season. We don't want to have to burn ourselves out just trying to make the top 4 again. Saints, Bombers, Crows and to a lesser extent, Port, Carlton, Dogs will have an easier fixture than any of the top 6 bracket from last season due to where they finished.

Great seeing Petty provide a contest, but he understandably has little forward craft or a set shot routine. Can't wait to see Ben Brown back out there alongside JVR

Or two groups of 8 going around the circle in different directions, one group hopping the other doing silly walks in weird syncopated timing

And Steven May was close to 30 when we won a flag, the same age Frawley would've been in 2017/2018. Our biggest weakness was having Frost and OMac as our key pillars. We got monstered by the gorilla key forwards every year (Hawkins especially) - Frawley would've been a massive help in us being good enough to go a little further each season. We might've made the finals in 2016, 2017, and gone further in 2018. Only point im making is that one timeline lead to trading out Hogan for Steven May, due to our dire need to shut down the influence of the op's best key forward, the other timeline maybe not so much. This is getting into Marty & Doc territory now Not sure I'm downplaying that year, when I say it failed against better teams, because we lost to WCE, Collingwood and Richmond that year, the 3 teams above us, all in the same fashion.

I don't begrudge Frawley or Howe for leaving anymore. They may have set our defence back a few years, but their absence ultimately shone a massive light on how permeable our defence was, and led us to prioritise the recruitment of May and Lever, and also shift to the strategy to keep teams to 60 points, rather than the all-out-attack strategy, which could beat lowly teams by 50-100 points back in 2018, but failed against better teams.

I'm sure he's 'blocked' it from his memory All the Pies fans claiming a free, didn't realise it was their hero Pendlebury who was to blame for letting Sheed run off him and get the easy 2 on 1.

Would require one of GWS, GCS or NM to leap frog them. Freo have two games v Hawthorn and another v WCE, so GWS or GCS will probably need 7-8 wins realistically to get us a pick 5. Then we have to hope Rich, Port and any other middling team do enough to keep ahead of em and prevent it being a pick 8+

Their backline is missing and its at GMHBA. I don't think this says anything about our win

Thought that said Angus was milked up. Disappointed.

Now imagine the Round 24: Hawthorn vs Fremantle MCG as the Spoonbowl, with an after the siren shot on goal by Lloyd Meek to give us Pick 1. We should all get together in our colours and flags and cheer the Hawks on for victory 🤮

Mr Squiggle Ladder Predictor with the autotip sim spat out pick 6 everytime. Just for good measure I manually tipped and they're good for 2W v Hawthorn and 1x West Coast and a few here or there. Will be above GCS, GWS and slightly ahead of North. In that cluster of Richmond, Port, middling teams with 8 wins. Even 10 wins would be a big turn around at this point. We're guaranteed 6-9 I think. And pick 3-5 if Freo can't win what they should AND GWS, GCS or North can somehow turn things around and win 5-7 games

The Champion Data guy Hoyne, said Balta and serial holder Grimes were really poor this year for never neutralizing or bringing it to ground in a contest. They either mark it or concede a mark/Free. Bodes well for our bigs to take a bagful of contested marks this week. Tommy to kick 5!

Gus deserves as much praise as LJ for turning the match for us in the 2021 GF 3rd quarter. Not through talent and flair, but through sheer effort and grind. I don't know where his best position is, but I know he will be the first to step up in the big moment/s again. Handy player to have if you're contending.

A lot was made of the fact during 2013 and 2020, no flag was won by any coach that wasn't Clarkson or one of his assistants. It was almost laughed off as just a quirk. And that Goodwin was the first coach to break that coaching style stranglehold on the era, hasn't even rated a mention anywhere. Not in the footy media, and not even on demonland really. I guess it's just one of those obvious things, nobody cares to notice. It's a seismic shift really that has (maybe inadvertently) ushered in a new era.

I feel like I'm back in the 90s tbh. Fast high scoring footy, no club dominating for more than a season, contending for 2-3 maybe, but never being in with a realistic shot of more than two flags, due to the huge amount of fluctuation of clubs rising and falling from year to year. Rule changes fostering a style of footy that can aid 'young' lists built with speed in mind to contend and fall away very quickly. Time will tell I guess. But the 2000-2020 period feels like a different era now. Things changed so slowly.

A few HTB/Fend off calls might have swung that Port Prelim!

How many would they have won with the high fend off rule being used?

That and we want any actual premiership contenders vying for a top 4 spot, to lose.

Not sure the competition is ready for Viney and Pickett on an oval with a brick wall for a boundary

We need the equivalent of a BANG BANG BANG right now. I guess that's a FLARE FLARE FLARE?

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