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All very good points

Was very close to Goodwin.

Spot on. Sparrow would never have been subbed under Goodwin, so it's already changing.

Er....yes, I would. Leaders of every...single .. organisation of any size are required to tell half truths or outright lies every single day. Like it or not it is a significant part of leadership - you aren't afforded the luxury of being able to speak your mind and you do need to tow the company line. Honesty is for internal discussions and definitely not for the vultures of the AFL media landscape. Very very very naive to think otherwise. It's not the first time Ed has done this either - honesty is an admirable trait but not helpful in this situation. He's now projected a divide or disharmony inside the club to the world (whether true or not), including prospective new players and coaches and god knows who else. It's not helpful and not necessary.

Langdon's comments 100% confirm a new voice was needed. Way too comfortable and to draw or reveal a divide between players and Board isn't on from a senior player and tells me (as many suspected) the players have been running the place. Those saying "what do you expect him to say" - you expect him to say "we loved goody, but are excited for a change and the challenge that can bring". You don't expect him to say "you'd have to ask the Board". Very poor.

Whilst it feels a little shocking, I think this is a good thing. Rare that we go early ...we could have easily held on for another year and I firmly believe we would have been the same in 12 months. Langdon's interview today actually probably confirms we made the right decision...players have been comfortable for a long time. Overdue that things are shaken up. What does feel sad is this is officially the end of the era. May is just about done, Gawn still going but done soon, and I now expect one or both of Trac and Clarry to leave. It's the right decision. We were going to tread water for another 12-24 months.

Well put

Nail meet head

That would be a start, but won't address arguably the clubs biggest problem T.Lamb 3 votes

Good question. Maybe the legal eagles can weigh in here. If you put it together right now you might just get a groundswell of support

Let them have their win for the ages. Our last after the siren victory won a minor premiership and set us on a path to a flag.

I just want a coach that understands how to set and maintain a culture and high standards. You think Paul Roos was some tactical mastermind? That he somehow TACTICALLY gave Max the belief to become the best ruckman ever? The art of coaching is in walking the fine line between teaching, nurturing, ridiculing, inspiring. Line coaches and analysts should be on top of the other stuff. Simon may have some attributes -but it was Roos and his handpicked line coaches who turned our culture around. Recruited competitors, inspired Max, turned our VFL team into flag winning depth. Simon carried that legacy to a flag...the management thereafter have destroyed the culture Roos built. I called it the first pre season after - it's always noticeable if you know where to look. We're now in that position again where we need someone to come in and turn the culture around. Longmire could be it, but I'm not sure he is. Not sure we have anyone coming to save us this time around. Especially with Tassie around the corner.

Jeffos kicking was one of his best attributes earlier in his career. I think now he is getting up and back more and actually working defensively, he is cooked when he takes the shot. Fitness

For all those suggesting Jeffo needs to do this against better defenders.... yes that will come but worth noting he has spent big chunks of today on Zaine Cordy, who played AFL for a few teams for many years. He's certainly not some EFL level nobody. Jeffo has absolutely dominated - either deep forward or up the ground he looks a level above

Is the Rigoni getting the ball in Sandy's backline related to our Guy?

Good response from Kolt. Would have 7 or 8 touches, two big game changing tackles and a goal. Interesting though watching him at CBs - he clearly needs coaching about how to get on the move and when. Can ball watch a little. To be fair, I don't think he was ever a permanent midfielder as a junior. I think the club know he's coming from a way back and have taken a very long term punt on what he could be with proper coaching and fitness paired with his power, frame and character. Jeffo dropped a couple of uncontested ones (again!) but he is showing good defensive intent and covering the ground well. He and Kentfield look good together...honestly it's probably better than the AFL forward line. Hardie is a weapon

A lot here didn't pick it up but in a very rare interview years ago Judd made clear he'd go back to WA. Couldn't exactly blame him wanting to get out from under this FD.

I've said it for 4 years. Our FD sucks. I'm glad to see some are waking up to it. Only way it all changes at once is for Goodwin to roll. And it ain't happening with no CEO or President.

Perkins is a huge no. Total dud ...think all your reservations about Kolt, but after 80 games. Lord I am not sold on - has had plenty of opportunities and imo Jefferson shows more already. Ryan I would look at but for very cheap. We need to start to look beyond the cheap pickups. It's taken us nowhere....billings sharp schache....

He's not adjusting to the speed - and that's okay....but he shouldn't stay in the team. Needs time at Casey, he was coming from a long way back compared to fellow draftees of his year. What I don't understand is why he's never been given a role as a mid at Casey. It'll be hard... he'll be gassed....but with his size and power (those asking for a trait - it's this), he just needs to be a mid long term. They thought he had huge scope to improve - hard for anyone to improve as a half forward that might see the ball 10 times if you're lucky in the world's worst forward line. Last night they asked him to play the sparrow role....Tom was given a long time to figure that out. It's not exactly a starring role anyway...one of our predicaments is Sparrow now isn't capable of being even a B grade mid. I actually think Kolt has more attributes than Sparrow and is capable of better clearance work - but he's very raw. I haven't given up on him and can occasionally see what the recruiters saw. He'll need time, practise, fitness, and more importantly plenty of exposure to the ball. We made this mistake with Sparrow who was deprived midfield time in order to be a tackling half forward....sticking to Oliver, Viney, Petracca in the midfield. It's run its race. I want to see us start to blood our next midfield, including Kolt and Langford in there. Honestly our 'big 3' helped win a flag but have a lot to answer for. Brayshaw came close to winning a Brownlow and we couldn't even fit him in there.

A big part of this is the messaging and narrative from the president, Goodwin and the FD, and the leadership group. They show up against better opponents and start slow against poorer ones because as the club has been saying, they still think they're a top 6 team. They view teams like carlton as below them and don't take the challenge as seriously. But when we need to travel to Brisbane or face down Sydney? No worries. Demon time. This is all reinforced by picking the same premiership players despite prolonged form slumps, not holding them to high standards, not going after any senior talent to add to the team (because we don't need it, right?) and so on. Through the last couple of successful years we have allowed arrogance to fester - entrecote, Langdon/Mays comments on Collingwood - I don't usually buy into this stuff being important - but in hindsight I think there has been a clear trend of the club holding onto the past and being in denial of what is now staring us in the face with two consecutive bottom 4 finishes. The penny won't drop until Goodwin moves on, Gawn retires, or the old guard actually get dropped. It happened recently with Lever - it should have happened with Clarry, Trac, May, Salem, and others at various times. The FD no doubt justify that 50% May output is still better than Jed Adams...which couldn't miss the point more. Adams isn't paid to be May, and it's not his role. it is May's role, and he's not been performing in it. Sends the wrong message to both May and Adams. Rinse and repeat for the likes of Laurie in place of a Trac, Clarry or Viney. It's all broken and [censored] about - and it's a clear outcome of poor leadership and a bad FD.

The sad part is this can and will get a lot worse over the next couple of years. For years now we have gambled our future on the present. That present is not delivering and is about to become the past when Gawn declines, one of Trac or Clarry exit, Tom Mac/Melk retire, Viney retires, Salem retires. May has already declined and at this point shouldnt be getting games (statistically the worst performed KPD in the league this year). The game has gone past Lever. That so many of this cohort are still playing every week and need to play well for us to win is very concerning. Other than Bowey, Kozzie, Turner of course and perhaps Langford and maybe McVee, there are major question marks over all our young players. Big gap in the middle of the list from 80-120 games experience, and pretty much zero senior acquisitions from other clubs that have improved the team, which is really pathetic. I think Tim Lamb, Alan Richardson and to a lesser extent Jason Taylor (the longer you stay in that job, your hit rate will revert to the mean....we are seeing it) have done a bang average job for about 5 years now. Adelaide have taken a step this year by adding pearling, ANB, cumming to a side that had some good old and young pieces. It can be done but you need an active FD. Lo Our flag team was built on an active FD with Mahoney and Todd Viney being aggressive at the trade table, and Goodwin, McCartney, Rawlings, Roos actually developing young players properly. I can distinctly recall watching McCartney work with Harmes, who had a lot of flaws but was just given time to develop properly. ANB too. I miss when we were a connected, high standard FD who gave games on merit, consistency and application rather than reputation or potential. Kolt shouldn't be playing, it's very clear he can't find the speed. You could call Laurie a bust - but we'll never know. He hasn't been given a proper run at it in his position. He's played as a half fwd at AFL level, which accentuates his flaws and does nothing to show his strengths. Make no mistake - we have a bad FD who are not driving standards properly, coaching properly, teaching properly or making long term decisions. A good one got us a flag.

Needs to play at Casey for about a year until he's consistently in their better players. It took quite a while with ANB.

Me too. Worst day at the footy I've had.

Hallelujah Standards at the club slipped after 21. I called it then and it continues to slide.