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Well said, Ethan. No doubt the same ones who simply assumed Clarkson, Fagan, etc. were guilty and finished in football from the Hawthorn saga. They've apologised, haven't they ?

Depends who's commentating. If it's Kelli Underwood I won't hear anything. Or Garry Lyon.

For me it's not an age thing. When I was 20 I would have hated it too.

If there are songs played after goals that will be the end of me going to the football.

In his post siren on ground interview Oliver admitted that he arrived at GWS fat. After all his tribulations these last few years he still turned up, in his own words, fat. If you think anything would have been different in the same old environment he'd become accustomed to you belong on Demonland.

Built like a brick outhouse, fantastic speed, genuine class, excellent contested mark, penetrating left foot, hugely demanding on his team-mates and off the field he was prone to uncommon candour. A genuine favourite of mine and easily the best key defender I've seen in over 50 years. I hope he always feels welcome at the MFC.

They're not. You need to read their post again.

Laurie still being on the list is one of life's great mysteries.

He turns 22 in 2 weeks. It's his 4th year on the list. One would have to be delusional to not realise this is his make or break year.

If the typical old grey bearded cardigan wearing comrades that proliferate this site loved it you know it was bad.

I knew I'd forgotten someone I planned on mentioning. I'm not a fan of Tholstrup but thought he was one of the better players on the ground. He got quite a lot of it and used it pretty well. I find him a fumbler but only saw that once. It was my first preseason viewing but he looked noticeably better to me. Salem ran laps at a good pace and seemed unhindered. He didn't take place in any of the match sim. There's a large gate at the southern car park end not far from the goals. It was unlocked. A few of us were able to push it aside and watch from inside. I stood on the mound in the left forward pocket as you look north with the main grandstand to the left of me. No wind and beautiful weather, but a bit hard to see the other forward-line.

He was half back today.

I should add that Windsor's kicking was very good. We all know it's not always. I suspect his kicking is linked to his body health.

Rivers kicked 3 that I saw. All from set shots. Heath battled hard against Gawn and took a couple of nice marks. Howes was good. Got a lot of it and was strong in the air. I thought Rivers, Windsor and Langford were the standouts. Culley did his arm in the last few minutes. The forwards play a very high press. There was often no-one in one half of the ground. Lots of switching and short passes to retain control combined with long down the line when needed. Lots of quick play and ball movement that occasionally came unstuck. We'll be trying to get out the back towards goal quite a lot. Mihocek, van Rooyen and Jefferson all had their moments without starring. Fritsch is a different player from last year, but you already knew that. Sparrow was good. Plenty took turns in the centre square. Standing in the back pocket on the boundary line with Salem and Jiath while watching proceedings, Jarrad Rivers yelled out to Rick (Lever) about his positioning. Once play had moved up field Xavier Taylor turned around and yelled out to Rivers, "were you calling me "? Rivers shook his head. Taylor then nodded before saying, "call me Reg, or you can call me Daddy". Needless to say there were howls of laughter with Rivers telling Salem you're going to have to get that boy under control. He then told Petty the story of how Taylor told him to call him Daddy, before lamenting he gets enough grief at home. Just a solid hitout with some good bits of play interspersed with some errors. I think Mihocek will be very important and a handy pick up, notwithstanding his age. I left thinking we'll get a lot more of an even performance than the last couple of years and that I have no real clue how we'll go. I actually doubt we'll be worse and have a sneaky suspicion we could surprise a little to the upside. Pity I didn't see Latrelle.

I trust their observations on both. I've never doubted Jefferson's innate ability but having the physicality, aggression, nastiness, strength, etc. to actually make a regular meaningful impact at AFL level are other levels of magnitude. It's a make or break year. I'll be shocked if he makes it based on what I've seen thus far. Admittedly, I haven't seen any preseason, so it's possible he's been hypnotised.