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Yes, they'd want a future first plus extra.

I've read on another forum that the Suns have plenty of picks to cover bids for their 3 (likely top 10) academy players. The thought being that they're more likely to try and trade pick 4 for another team's future first. Ideally a team they project to finish near the bottom in 2024. But who knows what Taylor has up his sleeve.

I believe Lyon was at the same reunion in Kyabram that Reid's parents attended. I don't believe there's anything other than a happenstance meeting. Lyon confirmed he attended a Kyabram reunion on radio during the week and Reid's parents were also there.

Unfortunately, North are still best placed to trade for pick one.

Given the choice of North or West Coast I'd choose West Coast. But neither play at the MCG, which is every Victorian kids dream. North alternate between being scheduled once or twice a year at the MCG during the H&A season. Although they've also had multiple years in a row with just one game there. It's a massive advantage to be an MCG club.

Petracca is in it up to his eyeballs. The fact that he averages over 28 disposals and kicks goals helps. Petracca has received coaches votes in 16 of 20 games compared to Bontempelli's 12. All this means is that Petracca has been adjudicated to be in the top half dozen players on the ground in 80% of the games he's played. Based on probability he's receiving plenty of Brownlow votes. The main concern is that he may not get enough 3s.

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Wouldn't be hard. It's extraordinary that the MFC has only 2 players that have kicked 500+ goals (Smith & Neitz). Luke Breust has achieved that milestone for Hawthorn, along with 6 others. And they're not a foundation club. That said, we know our history post 1970 which explains why we have such deplorable records. Most record breaking stats have happened after 1970. Not all, most.

A bit too cryptic for me, old friend.

So does 90% of this site.

With regards to McVee, no I didn't. His best game was the GF, which should have excited everyone. I've not said I know more than the recruiting team. I've said I have concerns with Jefferson avoiding body contact and showing a lack of intensity. You can add a lack of urgency too. You remind me of a famous interview Bill Shorten had when he said he agreed with Julia Gillard despite not knowing what she said. I accept you don't believe you're allowed an opinion on our players because of Jason Taylor. I find it a maniachal position to take, but each to their own.

You excel at stating the obvious. A rare ability. The best recruiters can make a mistake. The talent with Jefferson is obvious, but it doesn't mean he'll become a quality AFL player. Hopefully, my ability to be Captain Obvious just matched yours. No mean feat.

I trust me eyes, which has nothing to do with Taylor, or his record.

Mine aren't. I'm realistic about developing young talls. His complete lack of intensity is a concern. In the third quarter there was a 50/50 high bouncing ball that he rightly tried to tap forward to advantage. He failed because he skirted body contact. That's just one instance, but it sums up where he's at. He can take a lovely mark and they'll give him plenty of time, but his physicality, or lack thereof, has me doubting he'll ever be a quality AFL key forward. When the facts change my opinion will too.

Balanced observers of this sorry tale wanted the accusations tested before making judgment. Evidence is always a prerequisite for me.

If only that was the general sentiment on here 9 months ago. It wasn't.

This is quite an enjoyable re-read. Very few didn't jump to conclusions.

Nathan Buckley had an interesting observation re our stoppage structures On the Couch last night. As you'd know, he viewed the game from the opposition coach's box on Saturday. In essence he said that most teams play their wings as defensive sweepers, so there's cover if the opposition wins the footy and tries to forward exit the stoppage. They're set up to provide defensive pressure as needs be. Melbourne's wingers tend to play ''tight'' and don't provide that defensive cover. This means that all our mids are basically off side if the opposition manage to break away from a stoppage. They get cleaner entries while our mids are left chasing tail.

It's even sadder that someone is ridiculed for merely agreeing with someone you'd prefer to deride.

Imo, you should treat the two years separately. It's easy to lump the second half of last year with this year and extrapolate an argument, but we're different this year. Different personnel, different rotations, tweaked game-plan, a fitter group, etc. I prefer to analyse 2023 in isolation. If we win today, which I expect, 8/3 with the game's best percentage will hold us in good stead for the back half of the year. We haven't been perfect, but nor were Geelong in 2022. It's easy to forget they were 5/4 after round 9. Today is a very important game.

I've been wrong before but Duursma is the player I'd like. I won't be surprised if he ends up as good or better than Reid. I agree that he may fall around their picks and a trade with them may be earmarked.

He was second at his Draft Combine over 20 metres. His time was 2.898. Under 3 seconds is quick, under 2.9 seconds is express.

The better team won. They were cleaner and used it better. They out-numbered us around contests. Why we didn't tag Butters when it was clear what he was doing was extraordinary. Truly one of the most baffling decisions I've ever seen. It was so obvious I can't fathom the answer, even though I know the answer.

Petracca was best on ground. Petracca had 5 goal assists. To put that in perspective, Joel Selwood's career high from his 355 games is 4. And we all know how Geelong liked sharing it around in their dominant years. Dustin Martin's career high is also 4. None of the other 45 players who took the field had more than one. Petracca also had an equal high clearance game, was second in contested possessions with 15, had a game high score involvements (12 - next best 9), and the most metres gained of any player.

Petracca Oliver Viney Rivers Hibberd Neal-Bullen