Watts the matter

I can see what you are getting at but if someone says 15% over 2 years then that would mean 15% of each year. I have not seen the actual quote but going on the use of those specific words, it could not mean 7.5% each year.

They are the same thing.

Reminds me of Aaron Francis. Glad we don't have our pick 10 to potentially waste on him.

I've said it multiple times, he should not have been in AA squad based on output. A 1st and 2nd is a very generous offer and should be taken off the table if Adelaide don't accept it on the opening day.

All of those players were better than him this season.

With the free kick against Lever, that had to be. Riewoldt also got his 1st goal after giving a big jumper tug to Talia at half forward.

No, Rance has always played on the key forwards, since day dot. He still nearly always plays on the 1st or 2nd tall now. Lever never does and that is a big difference, means you have to carry an extra tall player in the team. The bolded part is true, but seeing his lack of pace today is a worry if he is not gonna matchup on the talls.

I'm getting sick of reading this comparison. Rance plays key position on a key forward every week. Lever never plays on a key forward. There is a big difference and it's extremely wishful thinking if you think he will be a similar player.

Was very average, was OK in the first quarter and racked up some junk time stats late in the game. Gave away a shocking free kick that costed a goal when Adelaide were doing well early. Showed his lack of speed today and again didn't match up on a quality opponent.You would want a player of his size who is not going to play KP, to take the likes of Martin or Dangerfield. Still don't see him being worth the kind of money that is being talked about, whether that is 750 or 900.

We clearly know multiple teams have more money than us to throw around yet aren't pursuing Lever, so that tells me a fair bit. Close to the team would imply he was almost in it. Find me one expert or even Bigfooty poster who had Lever in their AA team. He was not close to being in it. He was lucky to be in a squad of 40. Not sure what Oscar has to do with any of this, he is a KPP. You have mentioned Lever as a key position player in your post yet as other posters have pointed our repeatedly, He is not a KPP. If he was, then he would have many more clubs going harder at him. The amount of money tells me that we aren't a destination club which the club wants to be and we hardly have a great record with high profile recruits.

Firstly, he is not an AA and quite frankly no one would have had him close to the team. He was listed in the squad but was never going to make it. The fact that no other club is willing to spend that kind of money on him is just as telling, despite you having more of an idea than all of us that don't want to pay overs for him and the 17 other AFL clubs. Where would you rank him with our younger players? Oliver, Hogan, Viney, Petracca and Lever. Can you please order them 1-5 so I can get an understanding.

Will he be in our best 3 players? I don't think so, therefore we shouldn't be paying that kind of money to him.

Yes and no, his agility is poor and he doesn't fully commit to defensive acts often when he is the only player within the vicinity and the team needs him to, but he has shown some strong signs with his tackling in congestion.

I would love you to explain how you know Stanley played a defensive role on Lever. Stanley is just simply not good at finding the footy so it may have appeared that was the case, but I don't know how you could know it was the case.

Sounds like the old two is better than one. So glad we ended up with Tyson and Salem.....

I wouldn't. Salem and Weideman are our pick 9's. The jury is still well and truly out with Jason Taylor. Despite the reputation of top 10 picks, picks between 6 - 10 in the last 4 or 5 drafts off the top of my head have netted very little and would be a disaster. Unless you are getting a top 3 pick it is a terrible idea.

You were questioning my use of scapegoat, anyway lets get back to football. I have not forgotten that he had a poor period in 2016, he was poor in the back half of the season as he was for much of this season. What I do remember is him standing up in the last quarter of the grand final and being a major reason the bulldogs broke away from Sydney. I can understand why people don't want him and despite my stance on Lever, I do want him, just at the right price.

It's barely worthy of a reply. There's an 80% difference in goals per game.

If you want to do semantics. You still haven't explained your use of 'credibility'? And check 'their' - clearly he is a scapegoat for the bulldogs failed season, or did he single handedly derail it?

Because it has been reported that Stringer will most likely go for a pick between 10 and 20 while Adelaide are going to request 2 first round picks of Lever. It has also been reported that Stringer would be on around 600-650 while we have offered Lever 800+. The argument about contracted players is stupid in this case and WB have decided to make Stringer their scapegoat publicly. He is gone for whatever they can get. The last part is your opinion. Clearly multiple clubs have no interest in Lever.

All of what I said is true, other than my opinion which is I would prefer him so I don't see how that relates to credibility, but please enlighten me.

Yet he has still kicked 68 goals in that period.

Lets keep facts as facts. He does not intercept more than any other player and NEVER has. He led the league in intercept marks, not intercepts. Dominated? Haha he played a good game in a great team performance, he most certainly did not dominate. 15 touches and a few big spoils which everyone gets excited about when an actual player dominating would have marked them instead of punching to the boundary. ADELAIDE v GREATER WESTERN SYDNEY8 Brad Crouch (Adel)8 Eddie Betts (Adel)5 Matt Crouch (Adel)4 Tom Lynch (Adel)3 Callan Ward (GWS)1 Luke Brown (Adel)1 Richard Douglas (Adel) Lets talk FACTS if you want, but lets stick to facts. There's a reasons Adelaides offer isn't close to ours. I would much rather Stringer given he would cost less financially, significantly less trade wise and has a higher ceiling as a footballer.

I agree with the philosophy but just don't think Lever is the one.

While I agree with the first part there is the counter argument that if you are paying a player 800k+ he is worth more than pick 10. He would become our highest paid player. Would we trade our best player for pick 10? Clearly not. My preference would be to walk away in this case but unfortunately I get the feeling the club will cough up big time.