Watts the matter

If you want to do semantics. You still haven't explained your use of 'credibility'? And check 'their' - clearly he is a scapegoat for the bulldogs failed season, or did he single handedly derail it?

Because it has been reported that Stringer will most likely go for a pick between 10 and 20 while Adelaide are going to request 2 first round picks of Lever. It has also been reported that Stringer would be on around 600-650 while we have offered Lever 800+. The argument about contracted players is stupid in this case and WB have decided to make Stringer their scapegoat publicly. He is gone for whatever they can get. The last part is your opinion. Clearly multiple clubs have no interest in Lever.

All of what I said is true, other than my opinion which is I would prefer him so I don't see how that relates to credibility, but please enlighten me.

Yet he has still kicked 68 goals in that period.

Lets keep facts as facts. He does not intercept more than any other player and NEVER has. He led the league in intercept marks, not intercepts. Dominated? Haha he played a good game in a great team performance, he most certainly did not dominate. 15 touches and a few big spoils which everyone gets excited about when an actual player dominating would have marked them instead of punching to the boundary. ADELAIDE v GREATER WESTERN SYDNEY8 Brad Crouch (Adel)8 Eddie Betts (Adel)5 Matt Crouch (Adel)4 Tom Lynch (Adel)3 Callan Ward (GWS)1 Luke Brown (Adel)1 Richard Douglas (Adel) Lets talk FACTS if you want, but lets stick to facts. There's a reasons Adelaides offer isn't close to ours. I would much rather Stringer given he would cost less financially, significantly less trade wise and has a higher ceiling as a footballer.

I agree with the philosophy but just don't think Lever is the one.

While I agree with the first part there is the counter argument that if you are paying a player 800k+ he is worth more than pick 10. He would become our highest paid player. Would we trade our best player for pick 10? Clearly not. My preference would be to walk away in this case but unfortunately I get the feeling the club will cough up big time.

Cant edit but the 2nd one is Hogan.

If we trade 2 first rounders and pay Lever 800k the club has lost the plot and is in no way a destination club as they will try to claim. By my calculations that would make him our highest paid player, and one that has achieved little at AFL level. It would set a shocking precedent and cause other players to hold out like Martin. I would guess Prestria being offered similar money to him had a major role in delaying contracts throughout the season and then signing for 500k a season above his original offer. Oliver, Petracca and Oliver are all better prospects and other clubs will be waiting to pounce if this occurs. He would want to start being a key position player if this happens.

No, I would say I've watched probably 70% of his games this year. Coffs up Tom McDonald style goals most games I see. Rarely plays on good players and is part of the best backline combination in the AFL. What do you disagree with from what I said? Is 16 possessions a good return fora 3rd tall? Is he a better than average kick? Is he quick? Does he play on good players? Name some he has played in if so. Are Smith and Laird not good runners?

Is a third tall with average disposal and not amazing pace. Struggles on key forwards. He has good runners beside him at Adelaide but without them he would not offer nearly as much. 16 disposals a game is very low for a third tall.

Is over rated by more than people just on this site. Our FD is we have offered him 850+ The AA selectors

Who? were we watching the same game? Harris Andrews makes Oscar look like a speed demon. McStay kept kicking it to us. Their opponents kicked 9 goals.

I have only seen the foxtel games for this crop including last year as 17 year olds, but he seems to really overrate the talls in this draft. I think Braysahw, O'Brien and Hunter Clark are much better prospects than he is giving them credit for. It seems others rate Stephenson a lot higher also, but he is one I find hard to judge. Don't like his kicking action at all. Jason Taylor said something similar about the talls coming through in the draft in the podcast.

Salem doesn't have that kind of value.

Trade Tyson and Salem for him In all seriousness, I think he would frustrate the hell out of us. Having a great season but for a good kick always misses when going for goal.

I'm pretty sure the conversation would turn to his speaking skills pretty quickly.

He was stuck in a forward pocket with the ball barely coming down in the 1st quarter. Moved into the midfield and had 28 touches in the next 3 quarters, generated a lot of run and caused all sorts of problems for our midfield. Viney was great early, but faded badly, he was opposed to Gray often in the 2nd half. Oliver was once again too happy to handball and on numerous occasions put teammates under pressure by taking the wrong option. Tyson was wasteful, competed hard but butchered the ball. Hunt's disposal was worse than Tyson's.

Who were your best 3 on the ground? Robbie Gray changed the game when moved into the middle. Hibberd played 4 good quarters. Boak was very damaging. If that was his top 3, that's fair enough.

So far I seem to be on the money

Not how I remember it, started the season really well then dropped off and was playing really poorly. Had 1 or maybe 2 good games and suddenly was a surprise inclusion for the Hawthorn game where he played well (on a first gamer). Since then has been extremely average to the extent that most supporters were impressed because he laid some tackles against Adelaide. He is young and has time on his side but with young players you look at their attributes and that's why some people (like myself) don't just assume he will be a good player because he was an early pick. Hipwood was taken in the same draft and is head and shoulders ahead of Weideman at this stage (also over 200m). McCartin has clearly shown more at AFL level, has had many nearly moments. Weideman struggles to get involved.

Interested to see how Fogarty goes in the Nationals. From the limited vision I've seen of him he appears to be in that Scharanberg, Francis mould. Where he will be sold as a potential midfielder but isn't one. Still in love with Rayner and find it hard to see him slipping to 7 despite his fitness concerns.

I (used to) like him but I have noticed this a lot this year. The amount of times he makes good position and then misses the ball or lets it through is outrageous, it's like when Tom McDonald is having one of those games. However, he is a nice kick, I am going cold on him though.

He had another pretty poor one, when he couldn't stick the tackle on Watts at the top of the goal square.

how do you figure this?