Watts the matter

Who? were we watching the same game? Harris Andrews makes Oscar look like a speed demon. McStay kept kicking it to us. Their opponents kicked 9 goals.

I have only seen the foxtel games for this crop including last year as 17 year olds, but he seems to really overrate the talls in this draft. I think Braysahw, O'Brien and Hunter Clark are much better prospects than he is giving them credit for. It seems others rate Stephenson a lot higher also, but he is one I find hard to judge. Don't like his kicking action at all. Jason Taylor said something similar about the talls coming through in the draft in the podcast.

Salem doesn't have that kind of value.

Trade Tyson and Salem for him In all seriousness, I think he would frustrate the hell out of us. Having a great season but for a good kick always misses when going for goal.

I'm pretty sure the conversation would turn to his speaking skills pretty quickly.

He was stuck in a forward pocket with the ball barely coming down in the 1st quarter. Moved into the midfield and had 28 touches in the next 3 quarters, generated a lot of run and caused all sorts of problems for our midfield. Viney was great early, but faded badly, he was opposed to Gray often in the 2nd half. Oliver was once again too happy to handball and on numerous occasions put teammates under pressure by taking the wrong option. Tyson was wasteful, competed hard but butchered the ball. Hunt's disposal was worse than Tyson's.

Who were your best 3 on the ground? Robbie Gray changed the game when moved into the middle. Hibberd played 4 good quarters. Boak was very damaging. If that was his top 3, that's fair enough.

So far I seem to be on the money

Not how I remember it, started the season really well then dropped off and was playing really poorly. Had 1 or maybe 2 good games and suddenly was a surprise inclusion for the Hawthorn game where he played well (on a first gamer). Since then has been extremely average to the extent that most supporters were impressed because he laid some tackles against Adelaide. He is young and has time on his side but with young players you look at their attributes and that's why some people (like myself) don't just assume he will be a good player because he was an early pick. Hipwood was taken in the same draft and is head and shoulders ahead of Weideman at this stage (also over 200m). McCartin has clearly shown more at AFL level, has had many nearly moments. Weideman struggles to get involved.

Interested to see how Fogarty goes in the Nationals. From the limited vision I've seen of him he appears to be in that Scharanberg, Francis mould. Where he will be sold as a potential midfielder but isn't one. Still in love with Rayner and find it hard to see him slipping to 7 despite his fitness concerns.

I (used to) like him but I have noticed this a lot this year. The amount of times he makes good position and then misses the ball or lets it through is outrageous, it's like when Tom McDonald is having one of those games. However, he is a nice kick, I am going cold on him though.

He had another pretty poor one, when he couldn't stick the tackle on Watts at the top of the goal square.

how do you figure this?

You would be furious trading a first rounder for May? I'd be furious if we didn't jump at an offer like that. He would be in the top 5 tall defenders in the competition.

My understanding was that Jurrah didn't drink before coming to Melbourne? I can't remember Sambono kicking a drop punt in that highlight video.Reminds me a little bit of Jeffy.

The TV commentators said he started on the back of the square as an extra.

Not according to the media. 750K is the expected offer from GWS. From what I can remember, Melksham is on 400, Lumumba was on 500, and Bernie Vince got a lucrative deal for 2017. Josh Kelly is easily worth 800. Prestia is on about that and Kelly is a thousand times better than him (which I guess you have now figured out ) But it's clear North rate him a lot higher than we do, we have passed him up two times and they have publicly said they tried to get the mini draft pick we used on Hogan to draft Kelly.

I'll bite. Moore has been a big disappointment this season. He kicked 5 goals in his 3rd game of football. He has had impressive pre season games and I think most people really rate him based on his game against West Coast last season. Most people have figured him out now (don't let him run and jump at the ball). The big difference between the two players is Darcy Moore is quick. Darcy Moore kicked 24 goals in 17 games in his second season. I'm on record as being critical of the selection of Weideman, it's due to the overall package. I agree he flies for his marks well but his inability to compete at ground level and change direction is a major concern. On Petracca, I find it strange they didn't compare him to Stringer or Wingard, who play similar roles.

You quoted my post referring to a statement regarding that.

I will find it hard to disagree with that but my point was he was capable of doing that in his 3rd year, Brayshaw can't even hold his place in a team that has all kinds of NQR's getting games. Tyson also kicked 16 goals that year. To say Brayshaw can do everything plus some is far fetched.

I don't necessarily disagree with this statement, but his kicking has been poor this season. A large number of his kicks have hung in the air too long and been intercepted or spoilt as a result. I think this is playing a part in the amount of handbalsl as he appears to have lost some confidence in his kicking.

Not sure if you're are being serious or a smarta$$. 2014 and came 4th last year.

Well I guess I can remember his only good kick for the night then, a lovely long ball to Hogan, who should have got a free on this occasion. Not many players on our list could have made that pass. Kent and Petracca are probably the only other players who would have got that kind of penetration. Except find the football.......... Tyson has been poor this season, but in his 3rd season he came 2nd in our best and fairest. While Brayshaw is struggling to get a game and gets better with each game he doesn't play on this board.

Love him, but not a chance, J. Riewoldt and T. Nankervis the dominant players on the ground.

Yes. Our original pick was used on Will Brodie.