SaberFang

...until Monde likens him to Dawes.

Oh, God, suddenly I don't want either!

Seedsman and pick ~25 to drop 3 spaces in the first round? GC could then package their second rounders for a first rounder. Not a bad deal overall. It all depends on how much we want Parish though; it'll likely cost us Howe, pick 6 and pick 25 for a return of pick 3, Kennedy and Bugg/Melksham/Rosa.

I just don't see GC agreeing to it without a sweetener, like an extra 2nd or third rounder. Seedsman ain't worth the downgrade from 3 to 6.Would we go from 3 to 6 to get Kennedy? Doubt it. Of course depending on the player Gold Coast want at 3, if they think they can him at 6 then they essentially get Seeds for free.

If friggin' Redden is worth pick 17 and Henderson worth a first rounder then Howe is comfortably worth a first rounder.

Good.

Pies could comfortably pull a Bulldogs next year, I wouldn't be taking their 2016 second rounder with Kennedy.

Definitely explains a lot.

Exactly, keep the deals entirely separate. A fringe player and some crappy pick DOES NOT equal one highly marketable Jeremy Howe. It's like claiming 6 third round picks is the equivalent of 1 first rounder. Whatever we get for Toumpas is fair value for Kennedy,something in the late second round.

Would Gold Coast drop from 3 to 6 for Seedsman though? No steak knives, just a 3 pick downgrade for him? It's probably our only hope. Collingwood would still have to throw us back Kennedy and a third rounder (for Bugg.)

Eddie will just offer them plum paid appearances on The Footy Show like every other Collingwood player. And their girlfriends can get jobs at his media company.

A 3 pick downgrade for Seedsman...? They'd never be that stupid. And as mooted above, this will hold up all our other trades now just like the Beams fiasco last year. Their priority will be Aish and Treloar.

There's nothing Collingwood can offer us except steak knives. They'll insist on a straight swap for a player who ultimately has shown about as much as Toumpas.

You won't be saying that if Curnow and Parish are both gone by 6.

High time we made a stand at the trade table. Other teams enjoy dealing with us because we're far too easy to bend over.

How I wish the Pies didn't know we wanted Kennedy. FFS.

FMD. A final middle finger to the club. Bugger off Howe. A return of two fringe players (Kennedy and Bugg) for the only guy we had with currency is a horrible outcome.

Please point me towards the plethora of other available players with recent grand final experience?This would be a huge win for us.

I'd have him before Adcock. He's no less an improvement than the rest of the players we're pursuing at the moment. Hell of a lot more experience than the Kennedy, Bugg and Melksham types.

Bernie Vince is 30. Should we toss him out with Crossy, as well? Fair dinkum.

Early 30's pick would do it, I'd think.

Has asked for a trade. Um, YES! Roos rates him tremendously highly.

Yeah, they aren't messing around...

6 pick downgrade and a second rounder, it's a huge win for Fremantle if he thrives. McCarthy might have to wait a year unless they use future picks.

Pick 3 & 35 for Howe & 6? Geez please nominate GC Jeremy...