mo64

My concern is that we could have a lot of players who could be cooked physically or career wise next year. BBB, T Mac, Tomlinson, J.Smith, Weid, Hibbo, Melk, Grundy. On top of that we had numerous key players have leg/foot injuries this year. If we don't get any best 22 players in aside from Grundy, we'll be relying on quite of few of our kids who have yet to debut.

Oh c'mon and let me know.

I suspect his decision will be based on which club shows the most love ($ and years). He's best 22 and played 20 games in each of the past 2 years. He won't be leaving for more opportunity. If we've offered him a lowball contract, then in some ways we are "palming him off".

Tomlinson not finishing in the top 10 is telling, despite playing most of the year at Casey. Explains the lack of interest by other clubs. Fair chance that Corey Ellison will get drafted. Hopefully by us.

Only backman that generated any run. Compo will be negligible. Would prefer to keep.

Don't know why. Gunston is a smart footballer who could fit into any sides forward line. He's a better fit than McStay.

I'm not sure where the list management is going if they trade Weid. I've never been a fan of him, but he definitely showed enough improvement as a ruckman at Casey to be required as ruck depth. Without Jackson and Weid, we'd need to bring in 3 ruckmen onto our list. Grundy is obviously one, plus a mature ager at Casey, and the other a rookie. I perish the thought that we'd use JVR as a 2nd ruck should Max or Grundy get injured. T Mac and BBB are physically unable to play the 2nd ruck role.

Do you really think clubs add a premium based on those? Lewis Taylor won a Rising Star. Jacob Townsend was an impactful player in a Premiership side. Club BnF finishes would hold more weight.

I think we are buying Phar Lap. He's stuffed and his heart is in another place.

The Kozzie rumour has as much credence as the Naughton rumour on Demonland. Both are a figment of someone's imagination.

An agility test must have been part of his fitness test. If we can't get Tomlinson off our books, can't see us doing anything major other than getting Grundy. No chance of absorbing the Bowes contract.

No offence, but "grain of salt" is all I can take from that. Your mate is thinking of the Grundy under Buckley, where their midfield (including Grundy) racked up huge possessions because they were indirect. Grundy's numbers dropped this year under McCrae before he got injured. His average marks was 2.5, the lowest since his 2nd season. He kicked 2 goals in 6 games. As a comparison, Darcy Cameron averaged 3.8 marks, and kicked 20 goals in 24 games. Grundy obviously averaged more hitouts because he was the primary ruck, but Cameron shared the ruck duties with Cox, and they lost nothing in hitout numbers without Grundy. Give me a Darcy Cameron type as 2nd ruck to Max than Grundy every time. And note, the Pies have beaten us the past 3 times without Grundy.

Ok, now that the season is done there's no reason why @Grand New Flag can't divulge the contracted key forward that we are allegedly in talks with.

That's not how it works in the NBA. Refer above and Russell Westbrook.

The Pies need Grundy off their books in order to re-sign De Goey and get all their trade targets in. They see that as more desirable than keeping Grundy. That automatically decreases his true value significantly. You also haven't factored in that he's coming off 2 long term injuries, and the length of his contract, which is a negative. By my reckoning, his true value is a Pick 40. And no club in their right mind would take on Grundy's full contract and give up pick 35. The Pies would need to pony up a pick for that to happen. If you want a comparison of what a salary dump should look like, Russell Westbrook at the LA Lakers is a classic case. He has won a league MVP and relatively his personal accomplishments exceed that of Grundy. But he's on a bad contract and is a bad on court fit for the Lakers. Other clubs are asking for 2 1st round picks to take Westbrook off the Lakers hands. Westbrooks perceived talent is not a consideration, and that's how the Grundy deal should be negotiated.

Rubbish. WCE finished 9th in 2021, and no-one could have predicted their Covid/injury issues. We had 2 games against the 2021 2nd bottom team Collingwood, and we lost both. We only played the Grand Finalists once, and lost both. We were 8-0 with games against NM and WCE coming up. We didn't take the opportunity to manage players. And we didn't take the opportunity to test our squad depth, and utilise Casey players in form. We tried to replicate 2021 in all aspects, and failed. The Cats knew they had to change personnel and game style, and succeeded. To say they were gifted the Premiership is just sour grapes.

The same bunch of misfits that beat us twice. Our tall forward stocks are in the same position as Sydney. Brown and T Mac (Passed it or injury prone) JVR (Unproven) Weid (Not up to it). Just as we rely on Fritsch and Kossie for our goals, they rely on Heeney, Papley and Hayward.

Exactly. You need reward for effort, otherwise you keep the opposition in the contest. A key forward and another damaging small forward is a must.

People saying we should pay based on the nett result are kidding themselves. I'm not in the Dodoro camp of getting every possible steak knife, but we are doing the Pies a favour, and that's how the trade should be negotiated. Why should we be giving another flag contender a leg up? They've beaten us the past 3 times.

I take it that you'll refrain from making negative comments about any trades, re-signings or delistings we make. The club always gets it right so we're not entitled to have a discussion about it's merit.

Really? West Coast finished 9th and Collingwood 17th. And Grundy had elite midfielders at Collingwood in Pendlebury, Adams, Treloar and Sidebottom from 2018-2020.

We finished the season 6-8 including scraping over the line against Carlton. We won games early in the year with 5 of our backline missing. We won a game with Gawn and Jackson missing. Goody's faith in the group to deliver his game-plan for the full 120 minutes was misguided, and the results showed against better teams. We were 0-5 against the other top 4 teams.

Spargo 10 goals in 24 games as a permanent forward. Of course it's everyone else's fault.

You've missed the point. Not all 11 players got injured late in the season. Some like Trac and Brown were playing with injury for more than half a season. Surely a rest here and there wouldn't hurt. Despite having the pre-finals bye, our players looked physically spent during the finals.

How is it that Jordon has no problem finding the ball, and yet it's his fault that Spargo can't accumulate possessions. Have you considered that Spargo is the problem?