39 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

We were the highest scoring side last year and that was the case even in the games Hogan didn't play (i.e. with the same forward line as we have this year).

Four previous seasons of W-L improvement is a more relevant "trend".

I guess. But if you're 2-20 and "improve" to 4-18, well, yeah, you've "improved". But you're still [censored]. The "linear improvement" line is a bit like incoming inequality. It's a meaningless metric without context. 

3 hours ago, praha said:

I guess. But if you're 2-20 and "improve" to 4-18, well, yeah, you've "improved". But you're still [censored]. The "linear improvement" line is a bit like incoming inequality. It's a meaningless metric without context. 

I think its only "meaningless" to those people for whom the fact doesn't suit their agenda.

5 hours ago, praha said:

I guess. But if you're 2-20 and "improve" to 4-18, well, yeah, you've "improved". But you're still [censored]. The "linear improvement" line is a bit like incoming inequality. It's a meaningless metric without context. 

As @La Dee-vina Comedia said, it's really only meaningless if you don't want to put any stock in it.

Of course, you're right about context, but that sort of makes my point. At the moment we have four years of improvement I'm more than happy to see what 2020 brings. If we're playing like this in the opening month or two next year, that will provide sufficient "context" to see that this season was more than just an aberration. But without that context, I'm happy to back us on the available evidence, which at this stage is four years of improvement.

5 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

As @La Dee-vina Comedia said, it's really only meaningless if you don't want to put any stock in it.

Of course, you're right about context, but that sort of makes my point. At the moment we have four years of improvement I'm more than happy to see what 2020 brings. If we're playing like this in the opening month or two next year, that will provide sufficient "context" to see that this season was more than just an aberration. But without that context, I'm happy to back us on the available evidence, which at this stage is four years of improvement.

In all seriousness  what stock should  one place in 2-20  v  4-18

It's really much of a muchness. It's totally inadequate  by ANY metric. The results could have been wind, an errant umpire's decision ( as if ) , the waxing lyrical (sts) of an oval ball. In all its a nothingness. ..other than it represents  a very VERY poor  outcome.

What say so though the difference between  14-8

And possibly 6-7   and 16-15 ??

I'm being generous/optimistic  as really i wouldn't  put any hard-earned on us winning  another game. But we should.

Thats not a trend....it's  a very sad picture. I fear we've  become a parody of what a club ought be.

Edited July 22, 20195 yr by beelzebub