1 minute ago, loges said:

We're not

Yeah they aren't now but they were or this thread would not exist.

Just now, AzzKikA said:

Yeah they aren't now but they were or this thread would not exist.

Mind reader are you

3 minutes ago, loges said:

Mind reader are you

Yep. Want a reading? Warning though, you may not like what you hear.

1 hour ago, Akum said:

The coaches collectively dropped the ball on this, and probably reinforced this defensive mindset, but Goody is good enough to take stock & work it out if he listens to the right people. 

Who are they?

He doesn't have a Roos, a Balme, a Hocking, a Fagan (when at Hawthorn) etc to mentor or challenge him.  McCartney is a coach and reports to Goodwin.  I don't think it is Mahoney who is excellent in the football admin role but doesn't have the breadth of experience (or I suspect authority to question the coach).

It is no coincidence that Sydney, Hawthorn, Geelong and now Richmond are reaping the success of those senior guys mentoring and challenging their coaches.

For example who is there who will challenge Goodwin on his selection of coaches or game plan.  We still have a very, very inexperienced football department! 

The Roos, Balme and Fagans of the world ask the hard questions of the coach on list strategy, team selection, game plan, game day tactics, (importantly) assistant coach selection, player management, public persona etc. 

Anyone know who Goodwin officially reports to?

I think Goodwin has been has been given too much latitude before he is ready for it and there is no-one to guide him and importantly to hold him to account.

Edited August 30, 20178 yr by Lucifer's Hero

I am not sure McCartney reports to Goodwin, the body language between the 2 give off the impression that Goody isn't McCartney boss, well that's how i perceive it.  I would hope that our coaching dept. are not a bunch of yes men, but a group that work together for a greater good.

HA when i wrote yes men i thought of this.

6 minutes ago, AzzKikA said:

I am not sure McCartney reports to Goodwin, the body language between the 2 give off the impression that Goody isn't McCartney boss, well that's how i perceive it.  I would hope that our coaching dept. are not a bunch of yes men, but a group that work together for a greater good.

HA when i wrote yes men i thought of this.

I think they do that.  But that is my point.  Who sits slightly outside the group to challenge their direction, decisions and hold them/head coach to account. 

I don't think McCartney can wear both hats.  I think McCartney is very good but I don't think anyone, anywhere can be part of a group day to day decision making and then hold himself of the head of the group (Senior Coach) to account.  Somewhere along the way objectivity gets lost.

Edited August 30, 20178 yr by Lucifer's Hero

1 minute ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

I think they do that.  But that is my point.  Who sits slightly outside the group to challenge their direction, decisions and holds them/head coach to account. 

I don't think McCartney can wear both hats.  I think McCartney is very good but I don't think anyone, anywhere can be part of a group day to day decision making and then hold himself of the head of the group (Senior Coach) to account.  Somewhere along the way objectivity gets lost.

True, but i would think the title of player/coach performance manager would make certain the coaching dept. performance is in parallel with the clubs interests and to be that outside person questioning the coach's decisions, no? If not, it should be.

2 hours ago, AzzKikA said:

Yep. Want a reading? Warning though, you may not like what you hear.

Nah think I'll pass you don't seem very accurate

Talk about a non story, wow.

Sledges would backfire in every game,every week.  Big deal.

22 minutes ago, loges said:

Nah think I'll pass you don't seem very accurate

Well it isn't an exact science.

On 29/08/2017 at 11:55 AM, DeeZee said:

Nothing story , mountain out of molehill

Can't stand st kilda. Firstly they go crying to the AFL about Gawn ruck work and then decide to leak sledges that happen during play. They are weak and will never amount to anything 

25 minutes ago, AzzKikA said:

Well it isn't an exact science.

Very good