Jump to content
View in the app

A better way to browse. Learn more.

Demonland

A full-screen app on your home screen with push notifications, badges and more.

To install this app on iOS and iPadOS
  1. Tap the Share icon in Safari
  2. Scroll the menu and tap Add to Home Screen.
  3. Tap Add in the top-right corner.
To install this app on Android
  1. Tap the 3-dot menu (⋮) in the top-right corner of the browser.
  2. Tap Add to Home screen or Install app.
  3. Confirm by tapping Install.

Featured Replies

Posted

THE EXPERIMENT by Whispering Jack

As long as the memory of the last six days of Paul Roos' coaching tenure with the Demons remains fresh, it overshadows his achievements of the past three years. Roos took over a club teetering on the brink, wracked with division at  many levels and took it on an upward journey from two wins before he arrived, to four, seven and ten at the end in a season that was alive until late in its penultimate round. Based on where the team came from, that is by any measure a stunning result - one for which all at Melbourne should be thankful.

History will judge the period from the perspective of where the club goes from here. Will the transfer of the mantle of the senior coach now handed over to Simon Goodwin be seamless? Will the trajectory of wins continue in an upward direction leading to finals appearances and ultimately to premiership success or will the club stay where it is now in the middle of the road?

Time will tell.

The pain and the hurt of the losses to Carlton and Geelong will abate. They might even one day come to be understood as the inevitable end point in a three year experiment involving the transformation of a broken-down, dysfunctional playing list of which few components will have survived by the time Goodwin oversees his first game of 2017 into the sleek, young and exciting new model team that he will be coaching into the future.

The Roos mantra in the year of his arrival was predominantly on defence and in those days it was hard to see the light at the end of the tunnel. As the team waded through the mire, there were similarities to the days of his immediate predecessors Mark Neeld and Neil Craig and the earlier years under Dean Bailey. It struggled to produce scores on the board and the thrashings came even though there was less disruption and better players were coming onto the playing list. The process continued into the second year with some definite signs of improvement but the wall was hit about two thirds of the way through and more thrashings ensued.

This year was different. Goodwin was at the helm for the preseason matches and, while the results of those games are generally meaningless, there was a clear change in the way the team was going about things. There was a more attacking style resulting in some strong bursts of play and higher scores. 

The season proper began with a great comeback to snatch a win against the GWS Giants - impressive now in the context of that team's top four finish to the home and away season. From there, the ride became bumpy with some inexplicable low points among the highs that persisted throughout the season. There were defeats that should never have been recorded (Essendon, St Kilda twice and later, Carlton) and victories that were uplifting - notably the groundbreaking ones against the Hawks and Port Adelaide that teased us into believing the team might even be thereabouts in September. 

The dream finish never happened and, in fact, it all came crashing down heavily and disappointingly near the Geelong end of the M1. That's what happens with experiments - they don't always produce the perfect result at the first attempt and sometimes, such results were never intended in the first place.

The thing that is clear from the final season under Paul Roos is that it was still very much one of development and, as it wore on, the experiment got interesting. 

We saw experienced players including present and past leaders of the club pushed aside and in their places, time was given to the new, younger breed of player. There were times during the season when the immediate time might have screamed out for the experience in defence of the likes of Lynden Dunn and Colin Garland but the youthful Oscar McDonald kept getting games and Sam Frost was also preferred once his stint up forward came to an end. And we saw Jayden Hunt and Josh Wagner coming into the team and James Harmes was moved to defence - they too were being prepared for the future. 

And, of course, we saw the continued blooding of the high draft picks Christian Petracca, Angus Brayshaw and Clayton Oliver - sparingly at times to cater for their youth, their endurance and their body strength. There were others like Billy Stretch and Alex Neal-Bullen and later Sam Weideman who got games while the likes of former skippers Jack Grimes and Jack Trengove had to mark time with the Casey Scorpions - as did Chris Dawes and even Cam Pedersen from time to time. 

In many instances, it seemed that the younger players had not produced the form that might have warranted selection ahead of more experienced players and perhaps a different course might have even produced one or two more wins in the short term. But that was not what I believe this season was all about - rather, it was more about giving the club its best chance to rise through the invisible ceiling between the middle of the road and the successful clubs that regularly fight it out at the end of the season. 

If Goodwin and the team can achieve that in the next year or so, then the experiment will have been a success.

 

 

I think by and large we were very brave with our selection. In particular, the game against St Kilda at Etihad could have been much closer and possibly a win had we played Lynden Dunn and possibly Col Garland that day to add some experience and strength in defence.

Hiring a proven coach with excellent credentials, who promoted a sound, basic, build from defense up approach to football, recruiting competitors with good character, along with engraining solid team first, winning culture - I'm not sure I'd call that an experiment as opposed to a well trodden path to success.

I just hope this path continues uninterrupted under Goodwin, which I have reasonable confidence that it will.  A bit of luck wouldn't go astray either, we are overdue for a bit of that.

Edited by Rodney (Balls) Grinter

 

I think the article is not saying that the entire three year period was an experiment but that, at some stage during 2016, there was a bold move made by the coaches to give preference to developing youth ahead of some of the more experienced players on the list.

Possibly, this was due to the fact that an all out youth policy in the first two years of Roos' time as coach would have led to some disastrous results at a time when the club was vulnerable. Hence, Roos took the path of shoring up the team's defensive side to enable it to cope with a proper development programme.

It worked because most young sides hit the wall long before we did this year. 

We weren't ready for the finals this year. Next year will be a different story.

Thanks Roosy.

Has anyone got resources to publish    R 1 2014 team v St K, Roos' first game?

Like to compare to RR23 this year.

Thx 


45 minutes ago, radar said:

Has anyone got resources to publish    R 1 2014 team v St K, Roos' first game?Like to compare to RR23 this year.

Thx 

B: Terlich Frawley Grimes

HB: Dunn McDonald T Vince

C: Toumpas Watts Tyson

HF: Bail Fitzpatrick Cross

F: Georgiou Pedersen Howe

FOLL: Spencer Jones N Trengove

INT:  Byrnes Michie Jones M

SUB: JKH

And we lost 10, 8, 68 to 6, 15, 51.

I'm a little surprised at the number of players still on our list (although I'm sure a number will be gone in a few weeks time) !!!

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

Featured Content

  • AFLW REPORT: Western Bulldogs

    We’re back! That was fun. The Mighty Dees’ Season 10 campaign is off toa flying start with a commanding 48-point winover the Western Bulldogs, retaining the Hampson-Hardeman Cup in style. After a hard-fought first half in slippery conditions, the Dees came out in the second half and showcased their trademark superior class, piling on four goals in the third termand never looked back.

      • Clap
      • Thanks
      • Like
    • 1 reply
  • REPORT: Hawthorn

    The final score in Saturday's game against Hawthorn was almost identical to that from their last contest three months ago. Melbourne suffered comprehensive defeats in both games, but the similarities ended there.When they met in Round 9, the Demons were resurgent, seeking to redeem themselves after a lacklustre start to the season. They approached the game with vigour and dynamism, and were highly competitive for the first three quarters, during which they were at least on par with the Hawks. In the final term, they lapsed into error and were ultimately overrun, but the final result did not accurately reflect their effort and commitment throughout the match.

      • Thanks
      • Like
    • 2 replies
  • CASEY: Box Hill

    The Casey Demons ended the regular season on a positive note and gained substantial momentum leading into the finals when they knocked the Box Hill Hawks off the top of the VFL ladder in their final round clash at Casey Fields. More importantly, they moved out of a wild card position in the finals race and secured a week's rest as they leapfrogged up the ladder into fifth place with their decisive 23-point victory over the team that had been the dominant force in the competition for most of the season.

      • Thanks
      • Like
    • 0 replies
  • PREGAME: Collingwood

    The final game of the 2025 Season is finally upon us and the Demons may have an opportunity to spoil the Magpies Top 4 aspirations when they face them on Friday Night. Who comes in and who goes out?

      • Thanks
      • Like
    • 64 replies
  • PODCAST: Hawthorn

    The Demonland Podcast will air LIVE on Monday, 18th August @ 8:00pm. Join Binman & I as we dissect the Dees disappointing loss to the Hawthorn.
    Your questions and comments are a huge part of our podcast so please post anything you want to ask or say below and we'll give you a shout out on the show.
    Listen LIVE: https://demonland.com/

      • Thanks
    • 39 replies
  • POSTGAME: Hawthorn

    The Demons were sloppy all day and could not stop the run and carry of the fast moving Hawthorn as the Hawks cruised to an easy 36 point win. Is the season over yet?

      • Haha
      • Thanks
      • Like
    • 229 replies

Configure browser push notifications

Chrome (Android)
  1. Tap the lock icon next to the address bar.
  2. Tap Permissions → Notifications.
  3. Adjust your preference.
Chrome (Desktop)
  1. Click the padlock icon in the address bar.
  2. Select Site settings.
  3. Find Notifications and adjust your preference.