Hang on a second, you went from rhetorical questions: "And what if the original idea was a fraud? What if it was made up just to distract from the real problem?" to the above "stated facts" in the blink of an eye? Methinks you stood in front of a wrecking ball facing the wrong way. You are obviously anti-islam to the point where you create your own facts to somehow justify your intolerance.

I like the wrecking ball bit but the rest of your post is hopelessly wrong.

I'm not sure what the "stated facts" you a referring to is about but I'm guessing it is not the factual number of dead people killed by Islamc extremists.

For the record I am no more anti-islam than I am anti any other religion. It's just that the far left have sided with Islamic extremists because they have the same hatred of Western values, so calling someone anti-Islamic (Islamophobe) is the new catch cry of the far left. You used to know you were winning an argument when someone called you bigoted and now you can add anti-islamic to that. Play the ball not the man, how about negating the argument?

I like the wrecking ball bit but the rest of your post is hopelessly wrong.

I'm not sure what the "stated facts" you a referring to is about but I'm guessing it is not the factual number of dead people killed by Islamc extremists.

For the record I am no more anti-islam than I am anti any other religion. It's just that the far left have sided with Islamic extremists because they have the same hatred of Western values, so calling someone anti-Islamic (Islamophobe) is the new catch cry of the far left. You used to know you were winning an argument when someone called you bigoted and now you can add anti-islamic to that. Play the ball not the man, how about negating the argument?

I thought it was pretty obvious that I was referring to what you called facts: "I love a warm fuzzy story but I also like facts. Do you understand Rachel Jacobs made it up?"

And if you are trying to label me as a part of the "far left", then you really are barking up the wrong tree. But on that subject, I would love you to point out to me where any far left group has sided with the islamic extremists. The only thing that I can think of is that Monis somehow managed to con Amnesty International into believing he had a genuine case as an asylum seeker. But I'm sure that you can provide me with links to evidence that the far left in the west have sided with islamic extremists.

And in case you are wondering, I am no fan of any religion, but who am I to say that people cannot practice their chosen religion? In the case of terror groups, I believe it runs much deeper than just religion... religion is simply the excuse.

Anyway, I do apologise if I incorrectly labelled you anti-islamic.

where have all the old fashioned godless terrorists of the left gone?

And if you are trying to label me as a part of the "far left", then you really are barking up the wrong tree. But on that subject, I would love you to point out to me where any far left group has sided with the islamic extremists. The only thing that I can think of is that Monis somehow managed to con Amnesty International into believing he had a genuine case as an asylum seeker. But I'm sure that you can provide me with links to evidence that the far left in the west have sided with islamic extremists.

Interesting that you view Amnesty International as far left.

Interesting that you view Amnesty International as far left.

Can't say I do... I was assuming that that was what you were alluding to.

where have all the old fashioned godless terrorists of the left gone?

beds are on legs these decades, & electric vacuum cleaners reach under there, & nowadays its easy to see they aren't really under our beds, & never really where.

Now, where is that eye-browed faceless man who runs the Libs Federal Elections Gone??? I know he's around here someplace, better check my bed again, haven't vacuumed under it for a while.

beds are on legs these decades, & electric vacuum cleaners reach under there, & nowadays its easy to see they aren't really under our beds, & never really where.

Now, where is that eye-browed faceless man who runs the Libs Federal Elections Gone??? I know he's around here someplace, better check my bed again, haven't vacuumed under it for a while.

sheesh d-l and i had you pegged as a futon man person.....igtb