The AFLPA couldn't care less about the teenagers...

No, I just meant that Evans' vacated spot on the list may be better next year rather than this year.

If you delete every player you don't want in one year, you are going to have to delete someone you do want the year after...

That's if your list is strong! With us there will all be new faces to delist and players wanting out as well. But I agree you have to consider just what you'll have available to come in as well. No point replacing like for like list cloggers, Neeld did that in 2012 and was hammered for it.

I understand your point RPC that delisting a contracted player "may" effect moral of the playing list and even an outsiders opinion of the club. IMO however we would not be the first club to do this and we won't be the last. The club spin doctors should be able to run this into a position where we come off well.

" great servant of the club ... , MFC is being ruthless and professional ... a new dawn ....sometimes tough decisions have to me made and this is one of them ..... yada yada "

The simple fact is that unless a miracle happens McKenzie and Evans will not be on our list next year. They both have desire but lack the fundamental skills to succeed at the highest level. This will not change over the course of a pre season. They will spend the year at Casey before being axed next year and I consider this to be dead time, that could be better spent on developing a younger / project player or having a punt on a Pre season Draft - rookie selection .

If your not going forward , you are going backwards and these 2 players are not going to take us forward.

just my opinion

"Well Jordie yada yada"

That's if your list is strong! With us there will all be new faces to delist and players wanting out as well. But I agree you have to consider just what you'll have available to come in as well. No point replacing like for like list cloggers, Neeld did that in 2012 and was hammered for it.

Yes but it is more than merely Mckenzie and Evans and the injured Trengove. Who knows how Barry and King are going to perform next year and what a risk it is [or isn't] keepimg them for an additional year?

2015
Trengove, Jamar (UFA), Garland (RFA), McKenzie, Howe, N Jones (RFA), Evans, Gawn, Fitzpatrick, Viney, Toumpas, Pedersen, Salem, Kennedy-Harris, Hunt, Cross, Bail, Riley, Harmes ®, King ®

With Evans & Barry now gone that means the importance of the 2015 season for the likes of the above cant be understated !!

* Trengove - huge decision will be made at years end

* McKenzie - IMO no chance of being on the list in 2016

* Fitzpatrick, Toumpas, Pedersen, Bail, Riley, - Under Prtessure

* Hunt, Harmes ®, King ® need to take steps

2015Trengove, Jamar (UFA), Garland (RFA), McKenzie, Howe, N Jones (RFA), Evans, Gawn, Fitzpatrick, Viney, Toumpas, Pedersen, Salem, Kennedy-Harris, Hunt, Cross, Bail, Riley, Harmes ®, King ®

With Evans & Barry now gone that means the importance of the 2015 season for the likes of the above cant be understated !!

* Trengove - huge decision will be made at years end

* McKenzie - IMO no chance of being on the list in 2016

* Fitzpatrick, Toumpas, Pedersen, Bail, Riley, - Under Prtessure

* Hunt, Harmes ®, King ® need to take steps

Viney re-signed until the end of 2017 on September 25.

As we start to discuss our ideas for next season I have updated the contracts thread to so we have a clear picture of who is out the door / needs to be resigned.

2019
N Jones

2018
Brayshaw, Petracca

2017
Dunn, Hogan, Lumumba, Salem, Kennedy-Harris, Viney

2016
Dawes, Grimes (RFA), Watts (RFA), Michie*, Vince, Tyson*, Kent, M Jones, Spencer, T McDonald, Terlich, Jetta, Garlett, Stretch, Frost, Trengrove, Neal-Bullen, Newton*, O McDonald

2015
Jamar (UFA), Garland (RFA), McKenzie, Howe, Gawn, Fitzpatrick, Toumpas, Pedersen, Hunt, Cross, Bail, Riley, Harmes ®, King ®, Vandenberg ®, White ®

* = Require confirmation...

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