You are correct Scarlo, the Qld laws are very harsh. Even that fool premier wants to get rid of them. But to paint the vast majority of bikies as model citizens is seriously underestimating the depth of their control of things such as illicit drug trade, debt collection or business intimidation.

i don't mean to be doing that either, what i am saying is alot of innocent people are being affected by this, and getting treated poorly, while the ones these laws have been brought in for are still doing what they were doing and dont seem to be getting harassed like these people are. it's what i said earlier, go after the individuals, or if it is a majority of the club, then focus on that club, not these small ones where its mostly just a social thing and enjoy going for a ride.

i don't mean to be doing that either, what i am saying is alot of innocent people are being affected by this, and getting treated poorly, while the ones these laws have been brought in for are still doing what they were doing and dont seem to be getting harassed like these people are. it's what i said earlier, go after the individuals, or if it is a majority of the club, then focus on that club, not these small ones where its mostly just a social thing and enjoy going for a ride.

I think I'm going to leave it by agreeing to disagree with you on most of what you have said mate. I agree that the Qld laws go to far in our 'free country' as you put it (whatever that means, often used as a slogan to justify rights without question). The rest of what you say I do not agree with and find biased and/or naive, especially this unsourced gem...

"statistically police are involved in more criminal activity have more assault charges, drug and alcohol related crimes and so fourth then "bikies"."

I didn't realise that the Hells Angels Bikie gang was simply a world wide social club.

They're the "Good 'Ole Boys".

I didn't realise that the Hells Angels Bikie gang was simply a world wide social club.

You learn something new every every day Robbie

Edited January 22, 201412 yr by old dee

I'm sure these two are fine upstanding citizens and all they have to do is answer the questions and all will be ok.

http://www.insurancebusinessonline.com.au/news/insurer-locked-in-legal-battle-after-rejecting-brothels-claim-183238.aspx

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/bikie-spy-infiltrated-police-hq-20100827-13vyz.html

Mr Vassily owns a real-estate business, Deakin Industrial Realty, in Arndell Park with Hakan Tukel, who, with his brothers Fidel and Baris, is linked to bikie gangs and organised crime figures. Baris Tukel is an associate of the Comanchero, and Fidel Tukel is an associate of the Rebels.

http://mafiatoday.com/tag/comanchero/

I'm sure these two are fine upstanding citizens and all they have to do is answer the questions and all will be ok.

http://www.insurancebusinessonline.com.au/news/insurer-locked-in-legal-battle-after-rejecting-brothels-claim-183238.aspx

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/bikie-spy-infiltrated-police-hq-20100827-13vyz.html

Mr Vassily owns a real-estate business, Deakin Industrial Realty, in Arndell Park with Hakan Tukel, who, with his brothers Fidel and Baris, is linked to bikie gangs and organised crime figures. Baris Tukel is an associate of the Comanchero, and Fidel Tukel is an associate of the Rebels.

http://mafiatoday.com/tag/comanchero/

just Coincidences Robbie