After all our priority draft picks, rebuilding, trading free agents and letting go a variety of first round picks, how many of our current list is up to AFL standard? Let me list them 1-10 on current performance, and 1-10 in three years time.

Let's first talk about the 22 who played on Sunday

Sylvia. 6 9
Gillies. 3 3
Dunn. 6 7
Watts. 6 10
Frawley. 7 9
Nicholson. 4 4
Viney. 7 10
Grimes. 6 9
Toumpas. 3 9
Roden. 3 3
Sellar. 5 6
Howe. 7 9
Pederson. 4 5
Clark. 8 9
Byrne. 4 0
Jamar. 6 0
N. Jones. 8 8
M. Jones. 4 6
Mckenzie. 4 4
Tapscott. 4 7
Bleese. 6 8

Garland 5 8

If we add those who missed:

Trengove. 4 9
Dawes. 6 6
Hogan. 0 10
Gawn. 4 9
Spencer. 3 4
Terlich. 6 8
Jetta. 5 8

Tom MacDonald 6 8

James Strauss 4 6

Josh Tynan 3 5

Joel MCDonald 6 0

Michael Evans 3 5

Dom Barry 3 7

Dean Kent 5 8

Arron Davey 6 0

Troy Davis 4 0

Rory Taggart 4 7

Rohan Bail 5 5

Jack Fitz 4 8

Of those who have been traded or let go and have gone to other clubs, these are how i would catagorise them:

Brent Maloney 8 8

Jarad Rivers 8 8

Jordon Gysberts 5 7

Stefan Martin 7 8

Jamie Bennell 4 7

Carl Morton 4 8

On this basis, we have 36% of the players who played last saturday were below AFL standard, and of our total list 43% of players are below AFL standard. of the overall list,on this basis we don't have any elite (9 or 10) player but by 2016, of the players currently playing I predict over 20% will be elite. This means the list currently is heading for the wooden spoon this year and in three years time we will be mid list knocking on the 8.

Are we all satisfied with this situation??

Edited April 1, 201312 yr by Dees2014

As the great philosopher "Scribe" once said....

"Not many, if any."

I dont think that's the point (op), the question is more about who is willing to work their arse off for 120mins?

Who is ready to lift thier heads and keep running when the opposition score a few against us?

The psyche of the team needs addressing. We continue to play like losers.

Gillies, Nico & McKenzie not up to Afl standard and would not get a game at any other club.

Dunn, Byrnes, Sellar Pederson not much better.

Loves McKenzies endeavour but just to slow, poor disposal and poor decision maker.

I dont think that's the point (op), the question is more about who is willing to work their arse off for 120mins?

Who is ready to lift thier heads and keep running when the opposition score a few against us?

The psyche of the team needs addressing. We continue to play like losers.

Was it just me or did anyone else notice how often the Port forwards were able to turn our backline inside out, turn back and head towards goal? Was like they had no boot grip or able to get traction at times.

The only players that would get a game at a top 8 side are:

Jones

Watts

Frawley

Clark

Sylvia

Blease

Howe

Even grimes as a midfielder is not up to it. Too slow and has zero penetration in his kicking.

The club will go no where with a midfield including jamar, Mckenzie and grimes. No where.

I would not condemn players until they have been given the opportunity of good coaching - J Rivers looked pretty good today for his first game at a new club (and probably the best club in the league at the moment) - in fact, Rivers' play reminded me of how he played when he first came to us!

I would not condemn players until they have been given the opportunity of good coaching - J Rivers looked pretty good today for his first game at a new club (and probably the best club in the league at the moment) - in fact, Rivers' play reminded me of how he played when he first came to us!

Sellar and Nicholson dropping marks, Gillies and Garland being unprepared to take marks, Watts getting two kicks etc etc had nothing to do with coaching and IMO we make far too many excuses for players not accepting responsibility. They players were prepared, Jones was jumping out of his skin, raring to go so we heard, but when it was time to party they were limp. Neeld mentions 3 acceptable playing performances for the day.

Coaching on the day wont change a 70 point hammering like that.

Not thrilled at all with the concept of the players calling the shots or exerting influence on coaching matters. I would just like them to consistently be competitive and win games of football, nothing else.

Sellar and Nicholson dropping marks, Gillies and Garland being unprepared to take marks, Watts getting two kicks etc etc had nothing to do with coaching and IMO we make far too many excuses for players not accepting responsibility. They players were prepared, Jones was jumping out of his skin, raring to go so we heard, but when it was time to party they were limp. Neeld mentions 3 acceptable playing performances for the day.

Coaching on the day wont change a 70 point hammering like that.

Not thrilled at all with the concept of the players calling the shots or exerting influence on coaching matters. I would just like them to consistently be competitive and win games of football, nothing else.

I was not referring to any of what you have mentioned - I was referring to coaching developing young players, NOT players telling coaches what to do! A good coach will develop all players to the best of their ability - Neeld is not that coach.

I was not referring to any of what you have mentioned - I was referring to coaching developing young players, NOT players telling coaches what to do! A good coach will develop all players to the best of their ability - Neeld is not that coach.

Viney and Matt Jones did ok , where were Silvia and Jamar ( and there were other more experiences players who have played under numerous coaches)?

The only players that would get a game at a top 8 side are:

Jones

Watts

Frawley

Clark

Sylvia

Blease

Howe

Even grimes as a midfielder is not up to it. Too slow and has zero penetration in his kicking.

The club will go no where with a midfield including jamar, Mckenzie and grimes. No where.

Watts?

Sylvia?

Surely you jest?