As the title says, I believe that Jamar has past his best. He is seriously slow and once the ball leaves a ruck contest, he is literally useless. This year he didn't manage to impact himself on many marking contests or kick many goals. I think it was a mistake signing him up for a 3 year ( is that right ?) deal.

The talk of us trading Martin, who I believe is a far better number 1 ruckman than Jmar does not sit well with me. And our other rucks are not looking to flash at the moment, other then Spencer who did alright towards the end of the year.

As the title says, I believe that Jamar has past his best. He is seriously slow and once the ball leaves a ruck contest, he is literally useless. This year he didn't manage to impact himself on many marking contests or kick many goals. I think it was a mistake signing him up for a 3 year ( is that right ?) deal.

The talk of us trading Martin, who I believe is a far better number 1 ruckman than Jmar does not sit well with me. And our other rucks are not looking to flash at the moment, other then Spencer who did alright towards the end of the year.

He was injured most of the year. Given a sound preseason, I think you'll find he will impose himself a lot more in stoppages and contests. I agree, he needs to do more, but he's capable.

The talk of us trading Martin, who I believe is a far better number 1 ruckman than Jmar does not sit well with me. And our other rucks are not looking to flash at the moment, other then Spencer who did alright towards the end of the year.

Two words: Brodie Grundy

Grundy will come in for Martin tho.

Two words: Brodie Grundy

Just beat me to it...

Well past his best, still a good tap ruckman, just uselss around the ground.

Becomes a liability against Ruckman who excel around the ground.

Well past his best, still a good tap ruckman, just uselss around the ground.

Becomes a liability against Ruckman who excel around the ground.

He has never been more than a tap ruckman though...

He will be value as a mids get from F-grade to D or C-grade in 2013.

I don't rate the effect of ruckmen outside of the square (probably both squares but mainly the one on the middle).

A dominant ruck in the centre square is more value than one who gets 6 kicks and 8 handballs around the ground.

We got 99 problems but Jamar would be around 85 on that list.

Two words: Brodie Grundy

Not another basketballer? What about recruiting a decent FOOTBALL player?

Not another basketballer? What about recruiting a decent FOOTBALL player?

Do some research mate.

Scott Pendlebury was a basketballer.

Do some research mate.

I did - basketball convert?

I did - basketball convert?

So what. Considered a ripper footballer, all that matters.

So what. Considered a ripper footballer, all that matters.

Does he play like Jack Watts or Stef Martin?

Seriously, stuie, isn't it about time we drafted hard bodied mids rather than spindly 202cm developing boys?

Does he play like Jack Watts or Stef Martin?

Seriously, stuie, isn't it about time we drafted hard bodied mids rather than spindly 202cm developing boys?

That wasn't his point or yours though was it?

Does he play like Jack Watts or Stef Martin?

Seriously, stuie, isn't it about time we drafted hard bodied mids rather than spindly 202cm developing boys?

Seriously Jumbo, do you have a clue what you're talking about?! The guy is a tank, he's not a "spindly development boy".

Martin for Wellingham, there's a mid. Viney plus our other picks, trades, and FAs mostly be mids.

Seriously Jumbo, do you have a clue what you're talking about?! The guy is a tank, he's not a "spindly development boy".

Martin for Wellingham, there's a mid. Viney plus our other picks, trades, and FAs mostly be mids.

We need impact players now....we can't wait for developers.

Further, big guys take years to develop.

I say a big no.

We need impact players now....we can't wait for developers.

Further, big guys take years to develop.

I say a big no.

Not gonna bother discussing this with you cos you obviously have no idea about this player.

You think he's a skinny wussy basketballer who'll take years to develop... Pretty much the EXACT opposite of what every single expert is saying.

Back to Jamar...

I'm still a fan. He averaged the second most taps per game of any ruckman in the league for the regular season, with 32.4 per match (surprisingly, this is still the primary job of a ruckman). And this was in a poor year by his standards. Yes, he was ordinary around the ground this year but he can be a lot better when fully fit.

The only people who can determine if his body will hold up for another three years are in the FD. Misson and Craig have exceptional experience, so if they say he can play for another three years, I'll take their word.

Not gonna bother discussing this with you cos you obviously have no idea about this player.

You think he's a skinny wussy basketballer who'll take years to develop... Pretty much the EXACT opposite of what every single expert is saying.

Fair enough - but don't get all emotive about it.

Experts have been wrong before, as have some posters.

It's a fact that big guys take a bloody long time to hit their straps.

Hope we're still cool and can debate our opinions to each other freely.

We need impact players now....we can't wait for developers.

Further, big guys take years to develop.

I say a big no.

Grundy will slot into the side from day dot, is 202cm and already over 100kg, big contested mark, great at ground level, can snag a goal, has good pace too. Most of all he is a high intensity player who will do anything to win, we need players like him in our team.

Is also good mates with JV

Two words. Max gawn.

Two words. Max gawn.

You might need more than two words to explain your point mate...

Fair enough - but don't get all emotive about it.

Experts have been wrong before, as have some posters.

It's a fact that big guys take a bloody long time to hit their straps.

Hope we're still cool and can debate our opinions to each other freely.

Fair call mate. I guess I just saw Martin being offered as trade bait and Grundy being touted as our probable pick 3 and put 2 and 2 together...

But seriously, as M2W pointed out, he's exactly the sort of player we should be going after (and the type Neeld would love).

Still cool mate, of course!

Grundy will slot into the side from day dot, is 202cm and already over 100kg, big contested mark, great at ground level, can snag a goal, has good pace too. Most of all he is a high intensity player who will do anything to win, we need players like him in our team.

Is also good mates with JV

Sounds like a pick one.....but he won't go #1 will he?

Sounds like a pick one.....but he won't go #1 will he?

As outlined here, Whitfield is simply too good for GWS to pass on and GC don't really need a ruckman.