Trouble is we don't get it.

Not the point of this discussion.

I don't think anyone is saying 'if we had a decent ruckman we'd be a star midfield', or even a good one. But it's becoming clearer now that Jamar's ineptitude in the ruck is putting us on the back foot to begin with, which, given our midfield, we really cannot afford.

Good one titan!

Jamar's best is well behind him. He has a height disadvantage and is very slow. Doesn't have the leap required and versatility that White had...another shorter ruck man. GAWN!!

Jamar was smashed from the center bounce. None of the mids had a chance, Jones had enough as people said...

and whats more being smashed so easily in there meant that the defenders also had no chance given it went in so fast so often.

It sounds like it's too soon for Gawn to be pushed back into the seniors, but its going to happen sooner rather than later... perhaps against GWS.

Spencer competed last year I thought, his skills aren't super and he can't kick to save himself, but Jamar didn't even get a kick on Sat night. (Spent most of the time on his butt after being jumped into by Ryder it seemed)

The rules have killed off Jamar being able to compete as an undersized (sub 200cm) ruckman that relies on strength rather than agility and his leap. At best he can hold his own from boundary throw ins....

The last thing we need is stuffing Clark (who is also coming in without any fitness base) because Jamar isn't up to it.

Edited April 8, 201312 yr by Oucher

I wish I could look at the replay. My obviously defective memory says that Jamar started with first hand on the ball, directed it to static melb player who was tackled by esndn player, or the ball hit a moving esndn player on the chest as they anticipated where the ball would go. Jamar is predictable to everyone including our players but they tend to stand waiting for the ball. He always handballs when he gets the ball in the field, kick outs are directed to him so he has a pack situation pick up the crumbs when ball spilled, then he got tired and dispirited as there was no backup ruck support and barely provided a contest..

The comment about sylvia roving the opposition is what good flexible sides do. Clarke rucking is then denying our main forward.

I wasnt at the game and was only aware of what was shown on tv didnt see if Jamar was rotated through the bench.

the players confidence is so down they cant mark or handle the ball cleanly want to give it away before they have it and usually to a player in a worse position

I am hoping the coaches go through it and make something of it?????????????????