Really? People who don't follow MFC bagging Watts? Who would have thought....

True. Fair point!

Come on WYL, you sometimes have more sense than that....

We drop out of form players, not players who have played 2 good games in a row.

Silly stuff in this thread.

This year is dusted Stuie. I think Jack would benefit from playing a dominating role in a winning side.

He does need to harden up. He has skills, but doesn't always use them.

This year is dusted Stuie. I think Jack would benefit from playing a dominating role in a winning side.

He does need to harden up. He has skills, but doesn't always use them.

I agree with that second part, but it's not a good message to send someone who's performing back to the VFL.

Whoever plays well earns their spot for the next week, that's how healthy competition for spots works and how improvement comes.

Apart from the 2 obvious ones, all the coasting past packs. Commentator summed it up today, "Watts needs to go... he doesn't".

Apart from the 2 obvious ones, all the coasting past packs. Commentator summed it up today, "Watts needs to go... he doesn't".

Those guys today loved to single out Watts though, especially Watson, his stupid little disapproving tisk tisk noise at every disposal was really annoying and highlighted his bias against OUR Jack, poor form.

Funny how people stick up for Morton by saying he's an "outside player" but if Watts roves a pack he's soft.

I agree with that second part, but it's not a good message to send someone who's performing back to the VFL.

Whoever plays well earns their spot for the next week, that's how healthy competition for spots works and how improvement comes.

But is he performing or just doing enough?

I want Jack to reach his potential in 2-3 years time. Now it is all about learning.

Season 2012 is gone at 0-9.

I'm over these threads. The kid is clearly trying his hardest and is coming along.

If your a supporter then support. This is helping no body.

If however you want to make dumb arguments about Nic Nat you are free to go barrack for the WCE.

Go Jack! Go the Dees!

Those guys today loved to single out Watts though, especially Watson, his stupid little disapproving tisk tisk noise at every disposal was really annoying and highlighted his bias against OUR Jack, poor form.

Funny how people stick up for Morton by saying he's an "outside player" but if Watts roves a pack he's soft.

Tim Watson was fearless for his entire career when VFL was suburban war.

But is he performing or just doing enough?

I want Jack to reach his potential in 2-3 years time. Now it is all about learning.

Season 2012 is gone at 0-9.

Agreed about the season. But he needs to compete against men, get used to the speed and power of the battles, and not just dominate at a lower level which he is too skilled for.

Okay, here is my summarised defense of Jack Watts, and why I think he will be a great player.

I believe that when he was scouted and drafted, our people knew what they were getting. This is evident in his carnival and underage videos.. He was never an aggressive CHF in junior and school football, unlike Hurley etc. He has elite skills and a great footy brain, and these are what allowed him to dominate in the under 18 competitions, etcetera.

I admit that I have had moments of huge frustration with Jack over the past few years, but over the last couple of weeks I have made up my mind that he will be a star, and definitely one of the very best players from that draft. What I see is elite composure through traffic, beautiful skills and very good decision making, which will be improved with time. I think at times he can be a little lazy and lacking of an appetite but this will improve with time and the removal of so called 'leaders' like Colin Sylvia.

His marking is getting much better, even though he might not be crashing packs just yet. To all the people who are ragging on Jack for not charging into every stoppage and winning the contested footy in close - we have players to do that, called inside midfielders. Jack is the ideal player to be hovering outside the contest, I believe. Who would you prefer to be on the recieving end of a handball from a stoppage... Brent Moloney who might bomb it 50 meters straight to an opposition player, or Jack, who could hit up a lead 30 to 40 meters away?

In conclusion, I firmly believe in Jack, and I am liking what I am seeing of him in the back half. Will be a great player, whether it be as a half forward, half back or Goddard like utility (my pick, like many others here). Please have faith in him and get stuck into the players who are in decline, not improving every week.

I think Jack would benefit from playing a dominating role in a winning side.

Can't agree with you on this one mate, unless it is the senior side winning. He is a class above at VFL level and won't gain anything from playing out the year there, win or no win. Keep him working from defence where he is now and the experience earned will be invaluable. If a player spends too much time at a lower level they tend to adapt to that level, this is not what we want.

Tim Watson was fearless for his entire career when VFL was suburban war.

Great player, but terribly over-opinionated commentator. In fact, didn't he have to apologize to Neeld this week? (Can't remember if it was him, but he had to take back some comments).

Refuses to change his mind, no matter what.

So how about some of the other umpteen players out there.....

Moloney for example, how about some criticism for him, instead of the continual abuse this kid endlessly cops.

Great player, but terribly over-opinionated commentator. In fact, didn't he have to apologize to Neeld this week? (Can't remember if it was him, but he had to take back some comments).

Refuses to change his mind, no matter what.

I like his opinions. He played against the best at 15 and excelled. JW could learn a lot from Timmy Watson.

So how about some of the other umpteen players out there.....

Moloney for example, how about some criticism for him, instead of the continual abuse this kid endlessly cops.

Exactly!

There's no threads about Jamar, Moloney, Chip, or Garland who all had horrible days.

I like his opinions. He played against the best at 15 and excelled. JW could learn a lot from Timmy Watson.

He gives some good insight, but it's pretty clear he picks players he doesn't like for whatever reason and will bag them no matter what.

Watts is one of those players.

So how about some of the other umpteen players out there.....

Moloney for example, how about some criticism for him, instead of the continual abuse this kid endlessly cops.

Moloney is cooked. Done. Jack W has a full career ahead of him. I like Jack but he has got some bad habits.

He gives some good insight, but it's pretty clear he picks players he doesn't like for whatever reason and will bag them no matter what.

Watts is one of those players.

I think Tim knows Jack has the skills & talent, but gets frustrated watching him because he is about 2% off at times.

Moloney is cooked. Done. Jack W has a full career ahead of him. I like Jack but he has got some bad habits.

No argument here WYL.....

But he still played today and therefore should be judged the same.

I think Tim knows Jack has the skills & talent, but gets frustrated watching him because he is about 2% off at times.

Problem is though, he still bags him even when he's playing well, a few times today you could here his disapproving tisk tisk as soon as Jack disposed of the ball before realizing he just hit his target spot on. That's weak to me, just joining the ignorant media bandwagon

unfortunately i missed a fair bit of the game today because i was working. i did manage to see the contest where jack stayed down and warnock marked it. at the time i thought to myself, ppl on demonland are going to have a feast with this. what i considered to be smart, staying down for a crumb when there is already three players flying for a mark, others consider to be soft.

later on in the game, the ball was kicked into the carlton forward line and garland, going back with the flight of the ball flew as the 3rd man up, didnt influence the contest and left his opponent eddie betts alone which resulted in a goal. now i understand betts and watts are completely different players, but if howe (i think) had managed to bring the ball to ground and watts been front and centre for the crumb, everyone would be talking about how smart he was to stay down.

No argument here WYL.....

But he still played today and therefore should be judged the same.

I judge JW a lot higher than Moloney. Moloney should leave this week IMO. Moloney has had years of chances

Problem is though, he still bags him even when he's playing well, a few times today you could here his disapproving tisk tisk as soon as Jack disposed of the ball before realizing he just hit his target spot on. That's weak to me, just joining the ignorant media bandwagon

I think your hearing is too good mate!!!

Ch. 7 does suck i agree. But T Watson was a true gun for his entire career. Like Brereton when they talk football i listen.

I think your hearing is too good mate!!!

Ch. 7 does suck i agree. But T Watson was a true gun for his entire career. Like Brereton when they talk football i listen.

Dermott does like the sound of his own voice a bit though. Loved his call on how Douglas was going to influence the game as a sub last night, The Crows trump card, it's ok to give a thought but he went on about it. Douglas had no influence and the Pies ran away with the game.

I used to see Dermott on Sunday mornings when he was travelling interstate for commentary duties with 9 and he could never tell me which game he was off to when I asked him. He just couldn't remember.

Great player though as was Timmy.

I judge JW a lot higher than Moloney. Moloney should leave this week IMO. Moloney has had years of chances

See here is where we differ, Moloney is a senior player who has been disgraceful and yet becuase he is who he is, he is ignored for criticism.

While I understand judging Watts higher and my opinion of him is far higher, he is still but one on the field and yet wears more than any one player deserves.

Especially when others should be railed on with at least some vitriol. Watts is our only target it seems and that is staggerinly undeserved.