Jump to content

Square Peg, Round Hole - Exactly why we need Neeld!!!!


Vipercrunch

Recommended Posts

Love your optimism RR . Got anything you can recommend that I can take to get some of that optimism ?

Alcohol and drugs don't seem to be working . Hypnotism ? Acupuncture ? Banging head against brick wall ? Listening to happy songs ?

Hahaha! Macca here's a couple of Buddhist quotes that I take great solace in ...

"All conditioned things are impermanent".

and

"What we think, we become".

ie. Nothing is set permanently in stone and we constantly have the ability to change our mindset to better ourselves.

There's huge hope in this and in Mark Neeld I see a man who at the very least has the courage to set this club on a new course.

For more optimism have a look at what the Toiges achieved today!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hahaha! Macca here's a couple of Buddhist quotes that I take great solace in ...

"All conditioned things are impermanent".

and

"What we think, we become".

ie. Nothing is set permanently in stone and we constantly have the ability to change our mindset to better ourselves.

There's huge hope in this and in Mark Neeld I see a man who at the very least has the courage to set this club on a new course.

For more optimism have a look at what the Toiges achieved today!

You've put me into a trance ! I think I'm coming out of the dark side . No wait ........I'm getting dragged back in by ...........old dee !!

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Ummmmm?? Huh?

Don't see the connection at all between what I wrote and your response. Has nothing to do with what I was saying....

What are you actually saying?

Mark Neeld inherited a list that has a lot of deadwood in it. He cannot change that overnight.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

What are you actually saying?

Mark Neeld inherited a list that has a lot of deadwood in it. He cannot change that overnight.

I made no mention of the list, my point had nothing to do with the list.

All I said was we are only 9 weeks in, no one knows yet if Neeld is a great coach or a poor one.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I made no mention of the list, my point had nothing to do with the list.

All I said was we are only 9 weeks in, no one knows yet if Neeld is a great coach or a poor one.

Sure. But i don't think you are looking at the big picture.

See i do not think any new coach would be doing any better. At the end of 2011 before the new FD came in our list was a mess. That is the fault of the MFC, not the new coaches.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I made no mention of the list, my point had nothing to do with the list.

All I said was we are only 9 weeks in, no one knows yet if Neeld is a great coach or a poor one.

And you'll note that most of us have not said he was either way. The only way to know is to stick true until the players eventually understand the way Neeld wants them to play. (Which, as I've said before, is taking altogether too long, IMO, but that's for a different thread.)

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites


And you'll note that most of us have not said he was either way. The only way to know is to stick true until the players eventually understand the way Neeld wants them to play. (Which, as I've said before, is taking altogether too long, IMO, but that's for a different thread.)

8 games?? I don't see how you could make an argument that things are 'taking too long'. Surely that is ridiculous.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest José Mourinho

I think Jon Anderson on 3AW got it right this morning. "What is happening at the moment is by-product of poor recruiting. Too many light bodied, weak minded players and a poorly balanced list"

It's been highlighted many times on this board how poor our recruiting has been over the last 10 years or more. Apart from Frawley no other 1-25 draft pick has cemented a place in this team. That's about 20 early picks wasted. If even a third of these picks, particularly under the Craig Cameron era were A or B Graders we wouldn't be having this conversation now and Neeld probably would't be Coach..

Sorry Theo, don't agree.

That is the simplistic view of just labelling the players as failures.

The issue has been development, both in terms of playing the game and physical.

We haven't until this season put the money into coaching, and we haven't put it into physical development staff.

Now we've forked out for Misson and his team, and for a large group of talented coaches.

Now all we need to do is give it time for these changes to have an effect.

We've already seen improvement in Watts, Morton, Blease this year.

We'll continue to see it from other players too, as we put the time and resources into them.

And considering we haven't in the past, it should be no surprise they haven't come on as we'd like.

It's a pretty simple point, but often overlooked.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Sure. But i don't think you are looking at the big picture.

See i do not think any new coach would be doing any better. At the end of 2011 before the new FD came in our list was a mess. That is the fault of the MFC, not the new coaches.

No you're right I'm not looking at the big picture, all I'm looking at is the coach, as that is what my post is about and what this thread is about yeah?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

No you're right I'm not looking at the big picture, all I'm looking at is the coach, as that is what my post is about and what this thread is about yeah?

Stuie the coach is looking at the big picture. That is my point.

Look at what he inherited. Until next years preseason has been completed i will not put the flame to the coach for results.

You have not said it but thus far he has failed in your eyes.

We are talking of a complete rebuild of our entire cclub and culture here.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest José Mourinho

Bloke I went to dinner with last night is a member of the same club as a few players from MFC. In terms of round holes, they play a lot of golf apparently.

I don't know what this means.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Stuie the coach is looking at the big picture. That is my point.

Look at what he inherited. Until next years preseason has been completed i will not put the flame to the coach for results.

You have not said it but thus far he has failed in your eyes.

We are talking of a complete rebuild of our entire cclub and culture here.

Yes he has failed SO FAR, but the so far is only 9 games, so it would be pretty quick to turn that around. I'm only saying it's too early to tell how good or bad a coach Neeld is.

No big picture, no comment on players or drafting, just a comment on the coach and his ability to successfully complete his job as it stands.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Yes he has failed SO FAR, but the so far is only 9 games, so it would be pretty quick to turn that around. I'm only saying it's too early to tell how good or bad a coach Neeld is.

No big picture, no comment on players or drafting, just a comment on the coach and his ability to successfully complete his job as it stands.

Hard to be successful when 2 of our senior midfielders clearly do not want to play for the club anymore.

Happy to accept the weekly 2012 pay cheque though.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I haven't been paying to much attention to the endless comments being made by the many football "experts" out there at the moment, many of who are lining up to put the boots into the easy target. David King was the latest to have a crack, probably the biggest crack so far, suggesting the board should come out and sack Neeld now and admit they made a massive mistake. A load of misguided, uninformed tripe like a lot of the stuff being said.

One thing he did say caught my attention though. He likened Neeld to being a square peg being pushed into a round hole. He of course made out that this was the whole problem. Neeld didn't match our club in some way and therefore shouldn't be here. I actually think this is why he is at this club. We need someone like him to come in and force his way into our club, and change the shape of the hole until it is the shape it needs to be - fully professional, resilient and ready to match it with the rest of the AFL. Neeld signed up others like Misson and Craig who could help do this from a fitness and discipline area. The square peg is needed, and time needs to be given for the square peg to mould the hole into the right shape.

well said

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hard to be successful when 2 of our senior midfielders clearly do not want to play for the club anymore.

Happy to accept the weekly 2012 pay cheque though.

You mean 2 senior midfielders who had been happy until Neeld came along?

You can read situations a myriad of ways, but none of us know what is happening behind closed doors.

Not defending those players, not having a crack at Neeld, but we don't know the actual situation.

Link to comment
Share on other sites


You mean 2 senior midfielders who had been happy until Neeld came along?

You can read situations a myriad of ways, but none of us know what is happening behind closed doors.

Not defending those players, not having a crack at Neeld, but we don't know the actual situation.

Stats and the scoreboard for 8 weeks have told the same story Stuie, that is all i am basing any of my observations on.

Those 2 are not giving there all, and at AFL level that is going to kill us every week, despite who the coach is or a gameplan.

Edited by why you little
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Stats and the scoreboard for 8 weeks have told the same story Stuie, that is all i am basing any of my observations on.

Those 2 are not giving there all, and at AFL level that is going to kill us every week, despite who the coach is or a gameplan.

Yeah totally agree mate, I think a lot of players aren't getting the effort right. But is it the coach? The players? Some other external source? None of us know, and that's why, for now, I'm still on the fence about Neeld (despite how much I like his demeanor).

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Yeah totally agree mate, I think a lot of players aren't getting the effort right. But is it the coach? The players? Some other external source? None of us know, and that's why, for now, I'm still on the fence about Neeld (despite how much I like his demeanor).

The Coach has come from the right places....If the players are not 100% committed.....There's the door.

Players have run the MFC for too long...Time for the teachers to regain the respect.

i do not have Blind Faith in Mark Neeld, but if this club burns him up before he can fully implement his stamp on the team...We will suffer greatly.

Before i make any solid judgement i want to see a Mark Neeld list of players...from what my sources have told me, that will take the next 2 drafts to implement.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

The Coach has come from the right places....If the players are not 100% committed.....There's the door.

Players have run the MFC for too long...Time for the teachers to regain the respect.

i do not have Blind Faith in Mark Neeld, but if this club burns him up before he can fully implement his stamp on the team...We will suffer greatly.

Before i make any solid judgement i want to see a Mark Neeld list of players...from what my sources have told me, that will take the next 2 drafts to implement.

I agree. Give him a chance to mold the list to his style of play and then you can measure where we are at.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The Coach has come from the right places....If the players are not 100% committed.....There's the door.

Players have run the MFC for too long...Time for the teachers to regain the respect.

i do not have Blind Faith in Mark Neeld, but if this club burns him up before he can fully implement his stamp on the team...We will suffer greatly.

Before i make any solid judgement i want to see a Mark Neeld list of players...from what my sources have told me, that will take the next 2 drafts to implement.

I agree. Give him a chance to mold the list to his style of play and then you can measure where we are at.

What rubbish! A good coach gets the most out of what he has got, and then gradually adds the type of players he believes will best improve the team. Any coach who only wants his type of players isn't worth the time of day. As for where he has come from, you surely are kidding! If that statement is true, why didn't MFC get Sanderson who came from a much better background!

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Demonland Forums  

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles  

    2024 Player Reviews: #15 Ed Langdon

    The Demon running machine came back with a vengeance after a leaner than usual year in 2023.  Date of Birth: 1 February 1996 Height: 182cm Games MFC 2024: 22 Career Total: 179 Goals MFC 2024: 9 Career Total: 76 Brownlow Medal Votes: 5 Melbourne Football Club: 5th Best & Fairest: 352 votes

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 6

    2024 Player Reviews: #24 Trent Rivers

    The premiership defender had his best year yet as he was given the opportunity to move into the midfield and made a good fist of it. Date of Birth: 30 July 2001 Games MFC 2024: 23 Career Total: 100 Goals MFC 2024: 2 Career Total:  9 Brownlow Medal Votes: 7 Melbourne Football Club: 6th Best & Fairest: 350 votes

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 2

    TRAINING: Monday 11th November 2024

    Veteran Demonland Trackwatchers Kev Martin, Slartibartfast & Demon Wheels were on hand at Gosch's Paddock to kick off the official first training session for the 1st to 4th year players with a few elder statesmen in attendance as well. KEV MARTIN'S PRESEASON TRAINING OBSERVATIONS Beautiful morning. Joy all round, they look like they want to be there.  21 in the squad. Looks like the leadership group is TMac, Viney Chandler and Petty. They look like they have sli

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports 2

    2024 Player Reviews: #1 Steven May

    The years are rolling by but May continued to be rock solid in a key defensive position despite some injury concerns. He showed great resilience in coming back from a nasty rib injury and is expected to continue in that role for another couple of seasons. Date of Birth: 10 January 1992 Height: 193cm Games MFC 2024: 19 Career Total: 235 Goals MFC 2024: 1 Career Total: 24 Melbourne Football Club: 9th Best & Fairest: 316 votes

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons

    2024 Player Reviews: #4 Judd McVee

    It was another strong season from McVee who spent most of his time mainly at half back but he also looked at home on a few occasions when he was moved into the midfield. There could be more of that in 2025. Date of Birth: 7 August 2003 Height: 185cm Games MFC 2024: 23 Career Total: 48 Goals MFC 2024: 1 Career Total: 1 Brownlow Medal Votes: 1 Melbourne Football Club: 7th Best & Fairest: 347 votes

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 5

    2024 Player Reviews: #31 Bayley Fritsch

    Once again the club’s top goal scorer but he had a few uncharacteristic flat spots during the season and the club will be looking for much better from him in 2025. Date of Birth: 6 December 1996 Height: 188cm Games MFC 2024: 23 Career Total: 149 Goals MFC 2024: 41 Career Total: 252 Brownlow Medal Votes: 4

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 9

    2024 Player Reviews: #18 Jake Melksham

    After sustaining a torn ACL in the final match of the 2023 season Jake added a bit to the attack late in the 2024 season upon his return. He has re-signed on to the Demons for 1 more season in 2025. Date of Birth: 12 August 1991 Height: 186cm Games MFC 2024: 8 Career Total: 229 Goals MFC 2024: 8 Career Total: 188

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 7

    2024 Player Reviews: #3 Christian Salem

    The luckless Salem suffered a hamstring injury against the Lions early in the season and, after missing a number of games, he was never at his best. He was also inconvenienced by minor niggles later in the season. This was a blow for the club that sorely needed him to fill gaps in the midfield at times as well as to do his best work in defence. Date of Birth: 15 July 1995 Height: 184cm Games MFC 2024: 17 Career Total: 176 Goals MFC 2024: 1 Career Total: 26 Brownlow Meda

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 8

    2024 Player Reviews: #39 Koltyn Tholstrop

    The first round draft pick at #13 from twelve months ago the strongly built medium forward has had an impressive introduction to AFL football and is expected to spend more midfield moments as his career progresses. Date of Birth: 25 July 2005 Height: 186cm Games MFC 2024: 10 Career Total: 10 Goals MFC 2024: 5 Career Total: 5 Games CDFC 2024: 7 Goals CDFC 2024: 4

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 9
  • Tell a friend

    Love Demonland? Tell a friend!

×
×
  • Create New...