And how was that debt created in the first place? Who are you going to blame for that?

We simply paid off what WE created. Think you will also find the AFL & MCG made a massive contribution to our survival.

Haha now you're blaming the supporters for creating the debt the club found itself in? This is just classic.

You commented that North has a strong culture because their supporters chipped in some cash to send them overseas and improve their facilities. I responded that that was obviously rubbish because MFC supporters had "chipped in" many times more than that to clear our debt and our culture is still rubbish. Now you are blaming the supporters for the poor adminstration of the club causing the debt in the first place?

When people on here point this obviously flawed "logic" out to you you go around accusing them of wanting a party thrown for them. We don't want a party we're just pointing out the fact that your argument is rubbish and the reason the club is in the situation it is in is due to the poor adminstration of the club over the past 5 decades and the players who get paid ludicrous money to under-perform ande refuse to push themselves out of their comfort zones.

The only fault the supporters might have is failing to be MORE critical of the club over that time and holding the adminstration and players to account instead of having blind faith believing all is rosy and going back to enjoy the cucumber sandwiches in the long room with a nice glass of port and chattering about how there's always next year chaps.

Haha now you're blaming the supporters for creating the debt the club found itself in? This is just classic.

You commented that North has a strong culture because their supporters chipped in some cash to send them overseas and improve their facilities. I responded that that was obviously rubbish because MFC supporters had "chipped in" many times more than that to clear our debt and our culture is still rubbish. Now you are blaming the supporters for the poor adminstration of the club causing the debt in the first place?

When people on here point this obviously flawed "logic" out to you you go around accusing them of wanting a party thrown for them. We don't want a party we're just pointing out the fact that your argument is rubbish and the reason the club is in the situation it is in is due to the poor adminstration of the club over the past 5 decades and the players who get paid ludicrous money to under-perform ande refuse to push themselves out of their comfort zones.

The only fault the supporters might have is failing to be MORE critical of the club over that time and holding the adminstration and players to account instead of having blind faith believing all is rosy and going back to enjoy the cucumber sandwiches in the long room with a nice glass of port and chattering about how there's always next year chaps.

Classically truthful - oh thats right you want to blame the administration. hehehe - that classically ignorant.

So in your opinion my logic is "flawed" - In my opinion your argument is ignorant of the facts. But thats very, very common around here.

You dont even read what you write - what did North do with their money? What did we do with ours?

Until we accept that our destiny is in our own hands we are going nowhere.

Get your hand off it doctor...you are boring me now.

The feeling is mutual - sorry but over 12,000 posts - many I've read are just "clueless" negative, opinionated rubbish, based on zero facts, you are no doubt passionate and that great, you are no doubt a giver thats great - time after time you demonstrate a clear lack of understanding about the challenges MFC faces in AFL football circa 2012.

The feeling is mutual - sorry but over 12,000 posts - many I've read are just "clueless" negative, opinionated rubbish, based on zero facts, you are no doubt passionate and that great, you are no doubt a giver thats great - time after time you demonstrate a clear lack of understanding about the challenges MFC faces in AFL football circa 2012.

Is that so Einstien?

You Blame ME for the Debt the MFC caused.....Personally i blame the MFC for that debt, & yes it is time this club we all love grew some balls & stood up for itself.

You want the supporters to "Buy In" I say they already have.

It is now up to the club to do the same..

We must stick with the current Coach even if it causes pain.

Classically truthful - oh thats right you want to blame the administration. hehehe - that classically ignorant.

So in your opinion my logic is "flawed" - In my opinion your argument is ignorant of the facts. But thats very, very common around here.

You dont even read what you write - what did North do with their money? What did we do with ours?

Until we accept that our destiny is in our own hands we are going nowhere.

Blah blah blah yet more drivel from you - the only part of your post worthy of discussion is this;

what did North do with their money? What did we do with ours?

North paid for their team to do some altitude training - we wiped our debt which was crippling the club (way more than what the North supporters tipped in and now they are actually going down the debt demolition path also with way less success than the MFC experienced with ours).

What relevance does this have to anything? Are you now blaming the supporters for wiping the debt? How about stop talking in circles and actually say what you mean instead of making broad swipes at loyal yet frustrated supporters who have been members for 20+ years.

What are you trying to say??

Stop making excuses. The MFC do not deserve it.

You are the one saying our list WILL overtake that of north, as if it is a god given right.

Not God given Wyl, natural attrition says that our boys, as talent will, most likely rise above theirs when they'rs age. You don't stop at that, as surely as they won't stop recruiting, it was just a basic fact that they are more mature presently, than ours are.

We can't stop at that, & we can't do much more than teach & develop ours as we wait for them to grow. When ours are up, most likely they'rs will be down.

I think you missed what i was saying I mean't the following

" But as they're Talls age, ours will over take theirs"

Yep, thats what I was saying as well, as long as we keep on their tails to get better. And keep the recruiting & developing cycle a continuing cycle.

Don't forget Kieran Harper - went to the same school as Blease, followed the same path (albeit didn't break his leg) yet his intensity is so.....feral.

I wasn't aware of Kieran.

Quality culture, they have invested huge amounts of $$$$$ into Arden street - Supporters chipped in to send them to do high altitude training.

This is the advantage of the suburban ground training facility, where the battler supporter who has just given his/her wages over to support high attitude for the players has the chance to talk & maybe plead with the players to have a crack.

To sign a jumper or to just say high there & smile. This is the real human contact our boys seem to be 'Above'... and it doesn't see, to be good for us???

Blah blah blah yet more drivel from you - the only part of your post worthy of discussion is this;

North paid for their team to do some altitude training - we wiped our debt which was crippling the club (way more than what the North supporters tipped in and now they are actually going down the debt demolition path also with way less success than the MFC experienced with ours).

What relevance does this have to anything? Are you now blaming the supporters for wiping the debt? How about stop talking in circles and actually say what you mean instead of making broad swipes at loyal yet frustrated supporters who have been members for 20+ years.

You clearly miss the point. I'm saying that the job is only half done. If the desire was to clear the debt - that we created. But MFC supporters are fixed with this - oh look how clever we were we paid off the debt that originated from our club. Why was the debt caused in the first place? You wont & you cant acknowledge the truth.

Then maybe our target should have been 10 million - sure clear the debt, but invest in your football department, invest in your people equal to the big investors or you are blaming the symptoms not the cause. But I can understand why we did not go down this track.

But you and others just cant see it - time after time you show you have no grip on modern AFL football.

When somebody points out the truth you just wont listen.

Change or die

PS I hope you never invest in "shares" your in for a torrid time.

Is that so Einstien?

You Blame ME for the Debt the MFC caused.....Personally i blame the MFC for that debt, & yes it is time this club we all love grew some balls & stood up for itself.

You want the supporters to "Buy In" I say they already have.

It is now up to the club to do the same..

More absolute rubbish.

You clearly miss the point. I'm saying that the job is only half done. If the desire was to clear the debt - that we created. But MFC supporters are fixed with this - oh look how clever we were we paid off the debt that originated from our club. Why was the debt caused in the first place? You wont & you cant acknowledge the truth.

Then maybe our target should have been 10 million - sure clear the debt, but invest in your football department, invest in your people equal to the big investors or you are blaming the symptoms not the cause. But I can understand why we did not go down this track.

But you and others just cant see it - time after time you show you have no grip on modern AFL football.

When somebody points out the truth you just wont listen.

Change or die

PS I hope you never invest in "shares" your in for a torrid time.

Of course I understand modern football. Of course I understand money = success. What do you want me to do handover $5 million that I don't have to an incompetent footy administration when I struggle just to meet my monthly bills and have a bit left over for savings? What exactly are you trying to say?

FWIW we are continuing our "fundraising" now that we have cleared the debt to try and improve our financial position but there is only so many times you can go to that well. Why should supporters be continually told to dig deep only to watch players on 5-10x their salary underperform and show no emotion towards the jumper/club week in, week out and multiple administrations of the club make one bad decision after another? Are you saying it is a sustainable model to rely on handouts and chook raffles so the club can compete with the big boys? How about the CEO and board do their jobs and create a successful and sustainable model for running the club.

Seeing as though you seem to clearly have all the answers and I don't, enlighten me; why was the debt caused in the first place? Was that my fault as well?

Blah blah blah yet more drivel from you - the only part of your post worthy of discussion is this;

North paid for their team to do some altitude training - we wiped our debt which was crippling the club (way more than what the North supporters tipped in and now they are actually going down the debt demolition path also with way less success than the MFC experienced with ours).

What relevance does this have to anything? Are you now blaming the supporters for wiping the debt? How about stop talking in circles and actually say what you mean instead of making broad swipes at loyal yet frustrated supporters who have been members for 20+ years.

as one doc to another doc, you should recognise the symptoms of a chronic troll

don't give him too much oxygen. he might get bored and go to big footy

as one doc to another doc, you should recognise the symptoms of a chronic troll

don't give him too much oxygen. he might get bored and go to big footy

As a Doc the "symptoms of a chronic troll" is one who rarely want to discuss football inside a FOOTBALL FORUM - B)