Have you ever been in a class where half the lesson is wasted by the teacher trying desperately

If a teacher is trying desperately to maintain anything they've not set correct or good parameters or boundaries, nor are they handling the consequences of them being exceeded.

Students actually like boundaries. They know they're essential for the common goal of group learning, cohesion and progress. Neeld would know that too.

If a teacher is trying desperately to maintain anything they've not set correct or good parameters or boundaries, nor are they handling the consequences of them being exceeded.

Students actually like boundaries. They know they're essential for the common goal of group learning, cohesion and progress. Neeld would know that too.

Students like sensible boundaries. "Never talk" is not one of them. It puts the student and the teacher in and adversarial relationship and totally ignores the goal (which is to learn). Discipline for the sake of discipline usually just wastes everyone's time and energy. You can discipline someone, but if that gets in the way of their development, then what is the point? What are you trying to achieve?

Have you ever been in a class where half the lesson is wasted by the teacher trying desperately to maintain the kind of silence only heard on the tennis court or in outer space? I sometimes think that an over-emphasis on "discipline" can actually obstruct the overall progress of a student - not that this is happening at Melbourne, though.

I'm not certain that is 'wasted' time.

Students will learn the importance of respect, learn that some kids have none, learn that some kids have ADHD, and later learn which parents blame the teachers for their own failure to teach their kids proper respect and a modicum of discipline.

Students like sensible boundaries. "Never talk" is not one of them.

Who said anything about never talking? (However, there are some times when silence is necessary.)

You're going off at a tangent to the issue.

Teacher

Right Billy, your suspended from turning up 5 minutes late. Dont come to the next prac class.

Billy

Yes Sir, sorry Sir.

Next class, 5 out of 25 students turn up.

Their excuse. Protest to the govt for teacher student ratios.

Laughable

Right Billy, your suspended from turning up 5 minutes late. Dont come to the next prac class.

Someone else missing the point.

Suspend them from something they love doing, like football. Oh ... that's what Neeld did to Blease.

Surprised people here are finding ways to excuse tolerating crap.

Someone else missing the point.

Suspend them from something they love doing, like football. Oh ... that's what Neeld did to Blease.

Surprised people here are finding ways to excuse tolerating crap.

Sorry Maurie,

It was not a personal attack on you, seriously. I get your point! But I think Neeld would (and has) practice adult education on those at the Dees and filth in the past, which is your point.

Sam stuffed up and was rightly was disciplined as a result.

Have you ever been in a class where half the lesson is wasted by the teacher trying desperately to maintain the kind of silence only heard on the tennis court or in outer space? I sometimes think that an over-emphasis on "discipline" can actually obstruct the overall progress of a student - not that this is happening at Melbourne, though.

Whilst not being privvy to Neeld's teaching, if he is a good teacher I suspect he would have spent one meeting laying out his expectations of the players on the more mundane aspects of team/club discipline, made sure everyone understood and then moved on quickly to "football".

A teacher who "desperately" tries to maintain discipline is usually symptomatic of a bad teacher.

Also, we are not privvy to how late Sam Blease was or his explanation. I suspect the explanation of "the dog ate my homework" would meet with a different response and discipline to "the dog ate my family".

Whilst not being privvy to Neeld's teaching, if he is a good teacher I suspect he would have spent one meeting laying out his expectations of the players on the more mundane aspects of team/club discipline, made sure everyone understood and then moved on quickly to "football".

A teacher who "desperately" tries to maintain discipline is usually symptomatic of a bad teacher.

Also, we are not privvy to how late Sam Blease was or his explanation. I suspect the explanation of "the dog ate my homework" would meet with a different response and discipline to "the dog ate my family".

And I suspect "there was an accident on the freeway" would be treated differently to "I slept in".