Ultimate Footy - Norm Smith League

[Mad_Melbourne 877]

If you don't get picked on your draft picks or pick you bid for, what happens?

[Mad_Melbourne 877]

Oh wait, would get the first available pick I guess

[Old Man Rivers 326]

Excuse my stupidity JA however I have a couple of questions about the lottery

If we say place all our bids on Selection 2 & our lucky number does not come up, @ what point would we re-enter the draft?

Am I correct in assumming after all selections are taken by live bids & we have worked our way up from the bottom of the ladder?

What is the required deadline to submit bids?

[Old Man Rivers 326]

So who is bidding for THE CURSE of selection ONE?

Delivered The Wooden Spoon last year if I am remembering correctly!

[JACKATTACK 17]

If you place all your bids on pick 2 and don't get drawn out then those bids are lost and you will be at the mercy of waiting until an empty bucket turns up AND there are no available coaches lower you on the list. That is the risk you take by bidding hard for an early pick. But as we get through the picks there will be more and more chances of finding empty buckets because because fewer and fewer valid bids will remain.

A safe bid would be to go for picks 8 & 10. By then there will be fewer available coaches and you might find that your bid will be the only valid one in the bucket.

You might also consider going for picks 2 & 12, this way you give yourself an early chance and an insurance pick.

Ultimately it is up to you how hard you are prepared to go.

I will begin the lottery once everyone has submitted their bids or on the Sunday preceding the draft.

2 bids in already! Keep them coming.

Edited February 16, 2012 by JACKATTACK

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

I took this to the table last year for discussion with other mods and it got turned down. Does it matter if two leagues of teams are posting on the one thread ? I don't think it matters, it's like one big happy family.

There's good and bad there... On one hand, everyone hangs out talking ufooty, all 32 of us... On the other hand when someone does the smacktalk, it might get confusing figuring out who's doing well in what league and where... Plus if someone has a topic they're bringing up it might get swamped in smacktalk from dozens of competitors from other leagues. I think basically I lean towards separating them.

Taking a positive spin on this, maybe - just maybe - with two divisions going this year. JA, OMR, IWAP ,etc (or for that matter all concerned) we could discuss the possibility of a relegation/promotion system for the following years leagues. ie. bottom four, top four teams switch leagues next year ? How does everyone feel about that ?

I floated this last year, some people took to it... I think it can be discussed for the end of the year. I like it mostly because it gives the end of year bottom 8 finals series something to play for (avoiding relegation), and adds some detail and intrigue... the problem would be that in a secondary league, the keeper rules would get all stuffed up. The only solution, that JA suggested in a roundabout way, is that, let's say two teams are relegated every year and two teams are promoted... you pick up the "keepers" of the teams that vacated their spot on either list. This in itself is pretty ugly, since one could assume that the reason they went so badly in the first place is that their keeper players were shite... And that the reason the promoted teams won their league was that their keeper players were awesome. It'd be pretty rough going from having Swan, Pendlebury, Nicknat and Selwood one year then dropping down to 2 retirees and a couple of #1 draft busts with ACLs the next...

So yeah, assuming keeper leagues are going to stay in, it won't work I don't think. And having 4 designated "kept" players over 32 teams would seriously hurt the draft every year.

My head hurts.

[JACKATTACK 17]

Relegation assumes that the RF league is somehow worse than ours, I don't think that is correct really, it's not like we are better.

And the more I think about it the more I think we should take a leaf out of the R Flower league and name our league after a great of our club. And really when it comes to a game that decides the greatest coach amongst us there is only one name to consider.

Would it be too much HT to rename the league (forum) to 'Ultimate Footy - Norm Smith League'?

[Old Man Rivers 326]

Relegation assumes that the RF league is somehow worse than ours, I don't think that is correct really, it's not like we are better.

And the more I think about it the more I think we should take a leaf out of the R Flower league and name our league after a great of our club. And really when it comes to a game that decides the greatest coach amongst us there is only one name to consider.

Would it be too much HT to rename the league (forum) to 'Ultimate Footy - Norm Smith League'?

Norm Smith is a great choice however in season 2012

I think we should honour Big Jimmmy.

Ultimate Footy - Jim Stynes Leauge gets my vote.

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

If we are going down this track anyway in 2013 then this One Player ONLY MVP 2011 selection will add an interesting twist to this season.

Yes / No / Maybe - Thoughts?

I would like this. Sounds like it's off the table though... and yes... I would like it because I had Sandi.

Jackliveshere: Accepts the blame for last year's debacle after choosing number 31 for his jumper. Is considering number 10 for next year. Genuinely believes, and has so for many years, that Mitch Clark is the greatest player in the game.

The [censored].

Relegation assumes that the RF league is somehow worse than ours, I don't think that is correct really, it's not like we are better.

Yeah true.

Would it be too much HT to rename the league (forum) to 'Ultimate Footy - Norm Smith League'?

Oooh. Norm Smith would be the most influential ever demon. I'd LOVE that. But in the end, no mention of Jimmy would be criminal...

I reckon this one, Jim Stynes league, second one Robbie Flower, third one Norm Smith and fourth one (if they ever materialise) Barassi.

[Range Rover 1,935]

Norm Smith League for mine. Has an air of superiority about it that the magoos in R. Flower can only aspire to.

Perhaps we can have a relegation/promotion scenario at the end of the year? Top four from R. Flower go up, bottom four from N. Smith go down.

Would keep things very lively at both ends of the ladder right up 'til the final round's play.

Thoughts?

[Sideshow Bob 2,341]

I'm all for The Norm Smith league, however he already has a medal named after him, and I'm sure Jimmy will to in the not too distant future - what about the Frank 'Checker' Hughes league, immortalise the man who brought the Demon to Demonland? Without Checker we would be posting on something called 'pretty pink fuschias'!!!

Vote 1 Checker

And yes all for promotion relegation mix it up a bit - 4 up 4 down just to keep it lively sounds good RR

Edited February 17, 2012 by jako13

[furious d 463]

Sorry to intrude on the big boys board, but as you're talking relegation I thought I might throw my two bob in.

Not sure how this keeper thing works but there is a natural progression in keepers anyway. The teams that came up could not keep anyone but get PP's. This would allow them first dibs on blokes they think might step up into the elite bracket. Not sure if it's possible but it would allow older under performing elites to be dropped in favor of the up and comers.

I'd be in favor of relegation as it mixes things up and would, over time, help us to get to know more of our fellow posters, and help to ensure the competitions are more even.

Having said that, if I were you guys I'd wait and see how our league goes before opening things up. Last season our league didn't have 1 trade done that I'm aware of as there was only a few of us playing and our starting players were too valuable to trade. 3/4's of the players were tied up in inactive teams.

Half our new league haven't even identified themselves yet and I'm already worried it could be another fizzer. I'll admit I kept an eye on your comp last year and it looked like fun if you can get it working properly. If I were you guys I wouldn't even consider it until you're sure our league is working.

[Watts Cook n 0]

Peeps,

Long time reader, first time poster.

Have also changed my name from Dream Team when I registered 5 years ago to the winning formula that is Watts Cook n.

Thanks for having me in your league this year.

Will be very interesting with the new complexities. Much more tactical.

Are we 100% on the 7.5 system?

[savoydee 6]

JCB has stated this lottery thing is very confusing.He reckons he trusts JA- just to place in order by putting the 18 names in a hat, mug , whatever and just draw it. It seems to hard and tiresome However, he has sent his pick to JA vIa me to his PM.

He will be back in contact next weekend

thanks to all

[Old Man Rivers 326]

Norm Smith League for mine. Has an air of superiority about it that the magoos in R. Flower can only aspire to.

Perhaps we can have a relegation/promotion scenario at the end of the year? Top four from R. Flower go up, bottom four from N. Smith go down.

Would keep things very lively at both ends of the ladder right up 'til the final round's play.

Thoughts?

Either Norm Smith or Jimmy Stynes is fine with me.

You can't have a Keeper Leauge & a Relegation/Promotion concept.

It's one or the other.

Based on Furious D's post I would be steering clear of heading down that track.

Our Leauge had alot of trading / sledging / interaction in 2011 we have a 100% retention rate from last year

When your on a good thing - Stick to it

[JACKATTACK 17]

Apologies if the bid system is overly complicated. But I wouldn't get bogged down in the details.

A simple way of thinking about it is: You can risk more by going for an early pick, but you risk defaulting to a later pick.

The technicalities of how I achieve that are there for you to read if you want to really analyze it, but are not critical.

9/18 coaches have submitted their bids.

Edited February 18, 2012 by JACKATTACK

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

Thanks for having me in your league this year.

Are we 100% on the 7.5 system?

Yes. Watch your manners. I have my eye on you.

9/18 coaches have submitted their bids.

For everyone who's struggling to understand it, all it really is, should you forget to put in your bid, is reverse order from last year... pretty much... Me for example. I've put in my bid but after a solid season last year I only have one token.... so I don't expect I'll get my preferred pick. If that's the case, more than likely I'll end up in the last few picks.

It's still fair. I think of it as basically exactly as it should be, with a little twist.

[IWAP 170]

With regards to promtion / relegation - i'm all for it - and whoever wins your little league here will be most welcome in ours as the promoted team for 2013

[Range Rover 1,935]

Either Norm Smith or Jimmy Stynes is fine with me.

You can't have a Keeper Leauge & a Relegation/Promotion concept.

It's one or the other.

Based on Furious D's post I would be steering clear of heading down that track.

Our Leauge had alot of trading / sledging / interaction in 2011 we have a 100% retention rate from last year

When your on a good thing - Stick to it

I'm sensing a bit of worry on your part OMR. Not a lot of confidence in those words.

Careful or you might be accused of bruise-free fantasy footy ...

[JACKATTACK 17]

4 3 2 coaches yet to place bids.

Demonland 7

snomeD

45HG

Deevoted

Edited February 19, 2012 by JACKATTACK

[JACKATTACK 17]

Only Deevoted to go now.

[Old Man Rivers 326]

I'm sensing a bit of worry on your part OMR. Not a lot of confidence in those words.

Careful or you might be accused of bruise-free fantasy footy ...

I don't think so RR - We simply can't have both leauge setups, its one or the other

However I can recall some worry last season on your behalf about your top of the ladder combo facing the might of OMR late in the season.

From memory I smashed you & sent you into a downward tumble that you never recovered from.

Take note I won't be such a slow starter in season 2012

[Eth 4]

Take note, I might actually get a start this season.

Edited February 19, 2012 by Eth

[Range Rover 1,935]

I don't think so RR - We simply can't have both leauge setups, its one or the other

However I can recall some worry last season on your behalf about your top of the ladder combo facing the might of OMR late in the season.

From memory I smashed you & sent you into a downward tumble that you never recovered from.

Take note I won't be such a slow starter in season 2012

Note taken, read, then crumpled up and chucked in the waste paper bin! B)

[Old Man Rivers 326]

Note taken, read, then crumpled up and chucked in the waste paper bin! B)

Don't empty that Waste paper Bin to soon RR

You know I have the wood on you - Talk tough as much as you like in Feb

When the real stuff starts you know the doubts will resurface.

Look forward to some early season trading with you Old Foe!