Are you sure about that?

Coud have sworn Rivers started on Cloke

I agree, you have my vote.

Hey guys, been reading for a couple of years but as a member on the younger side never really felt a need to contribute as someone would usually have the same view as myself but with more background knowledge, anyway introductions aside

The area we are lagging behind is, for want of a better term, professionalism. I've watched our training sessions, and they don't look all that different from the ones you see twice a week at your local club. Compare that with the report we saw this week on how Collingwood train. Compare how well-drilled the top teams are with the indecision and uncertainty shown by our boys. A Collingwood player always knows exactly what his next disposal is going to be. He gets the ball and instantly knows what he is doing with it, because they are so well drilled in their structures. We never see that certainty from our team. We rely too much on individual skill and not enough on cohesive team play.

I really do hope that the coaching staff realise how far behind the 8-ball they are, but if they did, wouldn't they be trying to improve?

I am a fan of bailey and his development but if this is true it gets me really agitated. I have only been too a few training sessions normally at the start of the season so I don’t know much but have to agree that there isn’t an obvious urgency with regard to those same components as Collingwood. The necessity to have every player know there place and what to do with and without the ball to me just doesn’t seam as urgent. My girlfriend is a Geelong supporter and having seen them train too I get a whole different vibe from there sessions. It’s all business down there in terms of the intensity, effort and instruction throughout every single drill. I haven’t witnessed any sessions under Scott but with Thompson's high handball and running game I distinctly remember watching them run in waves from the centre/back line with multiple coaching staff and senior players really drilling each other on small details. The thing that really stood out to me was the knowledge the players had of the game plan. They were so well drilled at times it looked like it was just players coaching other players and when something would slip up no matter how small it was attended to.

After reading your post and thinking about the differences in these successful clubs to our own I find myself coming to these conclusions.

1. That some/most of our players ether don’t know, have the faith or are currently able (for whatever reason) of properly execute bailey game plan.

2. The plan is floored and is too one dimensional for today’s game, working ageist some teams but not others

3. Obvious one, as we are a young side we are still learning it and it just doesn’t work all the time

my 2cents

Frawley started on CLoke for the first 2 goals then the switch to Rivers who has proven yet again that he is poor man on man. We were forced to push Frawley back on Cloke after Rivers got truly toweled.

I would have loved to have Garland back.

From reading what Bailey said, Rivers started on Cloke and stayed there for 5 goals.

For someone that so regularly accuses others of making up facts to suit their own arguments, you have a remarkable ability to do it yourself.

Hard day at the office for the backmen today. Much credit should go to the strength of the Collingwood midfield. Absolutely towelled up on inside 50's. Our mids made some bad blunders that resulted in pretty much direct goals. Jones most notably crucified us with incorrect disposals and poor execution that looked to be good chances for scores. Onwards from there the Pies midfield played superbly - most notably Wellingham, Ball - their tails were up and their rotations and structure were well drilled. Our mids struggled and the game threatened to blow right apart much throughout. It came to fruition in the fourth.