Ok, not thinking finals, but just wondering what we should expect for the rest of the year given how we've gone so far...

1 condition though, only Yes or No answers, no fence sitting!!

St.Kilda(Etihad)- No

Essendon(MCG)- No

Fremantle(Subiaco)- No

Sydney(MCG)- Yes

Brisbane(Gabba)- No

Richmond(MCG)- Yes

Hawthorn(MCG)- No

Port Adelaide(AAMI)- No

North Melbourne(MCG)- No

6 1/2 wins... I'd be very unimpressed and would doubt we have ACTUALLY improved, if it goes this way.

I hope we win more than that, but I REALLY hope we start showing a desire to win.

Start showing a desire to win? Are you joking? Are Melbourne supporters the most reactive in the league?

I suppose the boys showed a desire to draw on QB, good thing they got their way....

Start showing a desire to win? Are you joking? Are Melbourne supporters the most reactive in the league?

I suppose the boys showed a desire to draw on QB, good thing they got their way....

Reactive? If we had been hard at the ball and passionate all year but lacked it today I would agree, but we have shown genuine determination for only a couple of full games and a few quarters here and there.

I don't doubt they WANT to win, but there's a difference between wanting something and actually going after it.

So, no, I'm not joking smartass.

Reactive? If we had been hard at the ball and passionate all year but lacked it today I would agree, but we have shown genuine determination for only a couple of full games and a few quarters here and there.

I don't doubt they WANT to win, but there's a difference between wanting something and actually going after it.

So, no, I'm not joking smartass.

add an extra 2 wins and 8.5 wins looks okay. Still don't know how we lost toe the dogs and we should have beaten the Pies.

add an extra 2 wins and 8.5 wins looks okay. Still don't know how we lost toe the dogs and we should have beaten the Pies.

Yeah, I would hope we can get up for another couple of those at least, but I guess I'm being conservative to save myself some heartache.

Reactive? If we had been hard at the ball and passionate all year but lacked it today I would agree, but we have shown genuine determination for only a couple of full games and a few quarters here and there.

I don't doubt they WANT to win, but there's a difference between wanting something and actually going after it.

So, no, I'm not joking smartass.

Go through all of matches and point out the two full matches and the few quarters where we have shown genuine determination.

Also, please illustrate all of the matches, and other quarters here and there, where we did not have a genuine determination to win.

Go through all of matches and point out the two full matches and the few quarters where we have shown genuine determination.

Also, please illustrate all of the matches, and other quarters here and there, where we did not have a genuine determination to win.

Why would I need to do that? I go to nearly every game, and watch the interstate ones... If you haven't been watching that's your problem.

Go through all of matches and point out the two full matches and the few quarters where we have shown genuine determination.

Also, please illustrate all of the matches, and other quarters here and there, where we did not have a genuine determination to win.

OR... y}You could actually get on with what this thread is about.. Just a suggestion

Expect is a tricky word to use because of the remaining games I only 'expect' to beat Richmond.

Given our up and down season I believe we will pull off an upset or two on the run home.

Ess, Syd and North at home are 50/50 and all very winable... but these are the types of games we have performed the worst in all year.

If we were playing Freo, Port and Bris at the MCG I would put them into the 50/50 category... but playing them away turns all 3 into heavy losses.

At this stage I would be happy with 3 wins... which would give us 7.5 and about where I predicted at the start of the year.

Go through all of matches and point out the two full matches and the few quarters where we have shown genuine determination.

Also, please illustrate all of the matches, and other quarters here and there, where we did not have a genuine determination to win.

Not taking sides in this argument (more out of boredom waiting for the soccer) but I think we showed determination for a full 4 quarters against

the Pies(round 2), Lions and the Doggies...Pies last 3 qtrs, North 3rd qtr, Crows for 2 qtrs(round3), Carlton 3rd qtr & Port 3.5 qtrs.

The rest of the time we have been pretty insipid and lucky to not get blown away.

6 1/2 wins... I'd be very unimpressed and would doubt we have ACTUALLY improved, if it goes this way.

At the start of the year Bailey mentioned this whole 50% improvement thing. 4 wins in 2009 + 50% = 6 in 2010... Then + 50% is 9 in 2011... Then plus 50% is 13 maybe 14 in 2012.

I had reassessed after the Brisbane game and imagined maybe 8-10, but perhaps he was right?

And I don't "expect" to win any of our remaining games. The Tiges and Roos games, cos they're at the G I have serious expectations. But the way both side are travelling I think we're certainly not montys.

If we play like we did against Adelaide (a performance similar to the West Coast and Hawthorn performances) we will struggle to win another game.

If we play like we did against Collingwood/Bulldogs/Port Adelaide we'll beat Richmond, Sydney and North Melbourne and will push Essendon and Port Adelaide.

i.e. we're inconsistent.

Expect is a tricky word to use because of the remaining games I only 'expect' to beat Richmond.

Given our up and down season I believe we will pull off an upset or two on the run home.

Ess, Syd and North at home are 50/50 and all very winable... but these are the types of games we have performed the worst in all year.

If we were playing Freo, Port and Bris at the MCG I would put them into the 50/50 category... but playing them away turns all 3 into heavy losses.

At this stage I would be happy with 3 wins... which would give us 7.5 and about where I predicted at the start of the year.

Pretty right. Tigers. North. An upset or two.

At the start of the year Bailey mentioned this whole 50% improvement thing. 4 wins in 2009 + 50% = 6 in 2010... Then + 50% is 9 in 2011... Then plus 50% is 13 maybe 14 in 2012.

I had reassessed after the Brisbane game and imagined maybe 8-10, but perhaps he was right?

And I don't "expect" to win any of our remaining games. The Tiges and Roos games, cos they're at the G I have serious expectations. But the way both side are travelling I think we're certainly not montys.

Bailey may well be proven to be spot on by years end- amazing really that the coaches predictions of his teams fortunes/performance actually turn out to be right

If we play like we did against Adelaide (a performance similar to the West Coast and Hawthorn performances) we will struggle to win another game.

If we play like we did against Collingwood/Bulldogs/Port Adelaide we'll beat Richmond, Sydney and North Melbourne and will push Essendon and Port Adelaide.

i.e. we're inconsistent.

Hit the nail on the head. That's why it will likely be no more than 3.

Funny ...if you were asking this after the Pies game wed all feel confident on 8 or so wins by seasons end...now after this week nothing is at all certain. There's no consistency other than pathetic starts to games to hang a hat or anything on. Definitely something annoyingly wrong with Melbourne. Theres a few who ought to be dropped but never will be..much to chagrin.

Sydney(MCG)- Yes

Richmond(MCG)- Yes

You're being optimistic with Sydney & Richmond are playing better than us.

Bailey may well be proven to be spot on by years end- amazing really that the coaches predictions of his teams fortunes/performance actually turn out to be right

Extraordinary.

What interests me is the question of whether or not his predicted 9 wins in 2011 will be enough to keep him his job. Sounds a bit neck and neck at this stage.

You're being optimistic with Sydney & Richmond are playing better than us.

Yeah at the moment, but I'm going by our form over the year not just yesterday... fingers crossed

Extraordinary.

What interests me is the question of whether or not his predicted 9 wins in 2011 will be enough to keep him his job. Sounds a bit neck and neck at this stage.

follow it through then.. If he can somehow predict and sustain 6 in 010 9 in 011 then 13/14 in 012 ought to follow... and with that improvement hed be stiff to now keep the gig surely ?