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14 hours ago, Luther said:

Sorry, been busy, a gif when words are not there

17 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

The persistent, maddening theme of the Melbourne Demons' list is the sheer number of players with huge gaps between their best and worst. So many have shown superb form in glimpses, strongs of good games, or even for whole seasons, but then not taking a next step or seriously dropping away.  It has made me crazy enough to do a quick catalogue just to put it clearly in my mind so I stop thinking about it too much!  Would be interested to hear other's thoughts on the topic, and which players they think will come out at the better or worse end of their range.

Hibberd -It was just a couple of years ago he was a worthy all-Australian selection, providing great drive from defence and smart intercepting and support. 2019 saw frankly half the player of 2017.

Jetta - Was finally making the transition from being spruiked as underappreciated to being actually appreciated as a great small defender, but an injury-ruined 2019 also seemed to drain the intensity and decisiveness that were his trademark. 

Melksham - The goal assist king, his 2018 contribution to setting up scores hasn't been beaten by any player since Cyril Rioli's 2011, and he chipped in 30+ goals of his own.  One of the few players to keep plugging along respectably in 2019, he has been barely sighted this season.

May - Seven marks a game and seven intercepts a game at his best.  At his current output it'll take him two more games to reach that tally for either. He's been so uninvolved he hasn't even given away or received a single free kick in 2020!

Vandenberg - It is a widely held opinion that Vandenberg brings something (a form of Schwerpunkt?) that lifts the team around him.  Unfortunately for long periods he hasn't had a foot capable of lifting the Vandenberg around it. It is anyone's guess what we will see when he does become available.

T McDonald - Another player who this season has produced, literally, not figuratively, half the numbers of his best season. Nil impact from a player who once clunked 134 marks, laid 50 tackles from CHF, provided chop-outs in the ruck AND kicked a superbly accurate 53.20 in a season. What the hell?

Bennell - At least with the comeback man we can only see the upside.  Could be crucial A-grade silk, but in nine seasons three have been injury interrupted and four simply wiped out.

Hannan - His mid-2018 best was as exciting at Fritsch's late 2019.  Didn't look anywhere near as creative and dangerous on the path back from injury in 2019.  Has a lot of believers but hasn't been seen yet in 2020.

Viney - absolute midfield gun bringing crucial hardness... or too slow with an unreliable thoughtless kick, keeping better players out of their best positions. And that difference of opinion has been held by people watching the same game!  Thankfully the valuable Viney appears to be back in 2020 but the uncertainty lingers.

Hunt - A mystery wrapped in an enigma tied together with a headband.  If you took his first couple of seasons as a dashing flanker/wing with long runs and long kicks and compared them to his three-goal game almost entirely up forward against Carlton, you would not think even for a moment it was the same player.  We don't even know if he was very good or just fortunate, he's that confusing.

Petracca - I believe.  'Pre-body-transformation Petracca' was actually rivaling some of the most most lauded forwards-who-go-to-midfield such as De Goey.  The New Improved Petracca is doing every thing he did before plus 30% more!  In shortened quarters!  For once we are talking about variability between good and a level of play that requires caps lock on to describe.  Having said that, it is still a big difference and still a part of why Melbourne's 2020 destiny is so impossible to anticipate.

Brayshaw - I want to believe.  Where Petracca's numbers and impact have gone up 30% from his baseline, Brayshaw's numbers and impact have gone backwards by about the same amount since his impressive peak in 2018. Are we talking about a tough inside midfielder with outstanding capacity to think a step ahead without losing concentration on the moment he's in, or are we talking about a kind-of-adequate mid picked last being the 'real guns' and who is on the field mostly because the coach thinks Harmes can be worked into a really effective half-back?

Neal-Bullen - a busy pest of a pressure forward and general runner who might not make perfect opportunities, but does make extra opportunities and helps disrupt the fast counter-attacks that mess with our game plan.  Or,  1/4 of that and 3/4 of mostly ineffective running around, as seen against the Blues.

Smith - It's hard to know what you'll get from someone who has been so damn unlucky with injury.  Two quotes sum it up - "Pre-season bolter and Melbourne rookie defender Joel Smith will make his debut against St Kilda." and "Joel Smith may have only played 15 minutes in his debut match against St Kilda in round one, but..."

Lever - Another where the numbers, taken generally, tell a fair story.  Currently producing almost exactly half of what he did in his final season at the Crows. Coincidentally, he has also yet to play even half of any given season for the Demons.  The upside is of course what a solid block of games could restore.

Fristsch - His last eight or so games of 2019 were as good as any produced by a mid-sized forward in recent memory. Against Carlton he looked massive early and even after fading he still managed 6 shots on goal for the game... for 1.4 and one out on the full. Is he a top-5 player from his draft or is he an undersized and inaccurate full forward who flashes in and out of game?

Weideman - has had just a couple of good games, including of course THAT final where he did as much as anyone could possibly expect of a very young tall forward.  But those few games look like the icing on a cake made of [blank] with a base of [blank] - a fairly even split of ordinary and very ordinary.  But if the 'super-Weid' is what emerges from the shutdown then our forward line is a whole different proposition.

Then of course we've got all those kids who, naturally, could be a whole lot or very little. 

But SEVENTEEN players with really noticeable variability in their contribution is more than enough to drive anyone mad.  Especially when so many of them the variability includes a low end that is questionably AFL standard.

What a great assessment after 2 games with nearly three months between them

33 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Wow they really don't like Bellchambers, do they.

Rubbishing a player from your team, outrageous, you would never get that on Demonland

3 minutes ago, goodwindees said:

What an absurd & stupid comparison.  Gawn & Trac were Draftees that we recruited for nothing in precisely, or in perhaps an even better position for us than what they were predicted to go.  
As opposed to having to grossly overpay a 3rd tall defender to pry him out of his Club.

Look, you were a well known supporter of the Lever trade and you are soon going to have to realise that he is just a good, ordinary 3rd tall defender that you Draft at around Pick 30 - 40 and you pay $400 - 450k pa tops. 

3 points 

1 That is @Rodney (Balls) Grinter opinion, so it is neither right or wrong

2 How does Ricciuto know how much Lever is being paid, like everyone on here, he is guessing

3 All players have taken a pay cut

1 hour ago, Buzzy said:

I agree.  I like Smith as a forward - or at least half-forward.  With Howe and Pedo departing, we lost our only real marking strengths. Especially now Tmac has suddenly started judging the ball flight about as well his brother.

The poor guy has played next to no footy in the last 3 years.  We have to let him build confidence.  It's pretty obvious he has more in his kit bag than Omac athletically, so we've got to give him a chance to learn the game and develop.

Footy IQ...  Not really our strong suit is it..

 

 

'Footy IQ.....Not really our strong suit is it'

That is one of the harshest but truthful assessments of this forum  I have seen in a long time

Good topic, Hawthorn seemed to have a Plan B against Geelong, I know, it was fall in a heap

Must be wrong strategy   

2 hours ago, Leoncelli_36 said:

Nothing in it. Normally I’d make a big deal about something like this, but honestly, the room situations are all weird, no arms around each other, it was all a bit weird and players didn’t really know what to do. I’ll excuse it this time

That's very big of you to excuse it, can hear the sigh of relief from the players as I type

This is just a another Gawn size mountain out of molehill on this forum

Who gives a flying about what Garr Lyon will say, has to fill air time with some dribble

5 hours ago, DemonOX said:

Of course you don’t however your post was 7 hours ago and it’s now 8am so that would make the time of your post around 1AM. 

I would think that is the WEE SMALL HOURS champ but whatever floats ur boat. 

I had been out after the game captain, with my lovely lady, was having a quick read of the predictable misery, so I could show her, she finds it both sad and hilarious

I know some of the kiddies on here have a curfew, but I don't

I still stand by what I said, we won, it wasn't pretty, but it was a win and nobody died

Some things to like including Rivers

Just having breakfast and a read after a late night, have to be careful at my age not to overdo it

46 minutes ago, DemonOX said:

Yeah ok Saty what ever helps u sleep at night. 

I sleep really well at night, move on quickly from the game, don't fret over a keyboard in the wee small hours trying  to think about something else to whine about to do with the MFC

14 pages of the usual whining by the usual suspects

It was a win, not a particularly pleasing one, but a win nevertheless

These as things to like

Onto the Bombers

Remember it's only footy, nobody died tonight

4 minutes ago, DemonOX said:

Leaving Gawn out of the team song and his first win as captain is pathetic and should not have happened. 
 

Very bad look and would only happen at Melbourne. 

With all the protocols in place, or didn't you notice the changeroom set up, the players were probably unsure whether they could do the song. Notice also it was not the normal rendition

But then again any petty point for a whining MFC supporter to hang their hat on

Gee I'm glad Smith is in for Omac   oh [censored]

We need Fritsch to play forward   oh [censored]

Melksham back in makes the forward line better   oh [censored]

Great to see Jacko in for trade bait Weid   oh [censored]

3 minutes ago, Darkhorse72 said:

It was meant for HB, but he wasn't expecting and ran forward.  lack of knowing your teammate yet.

Steady, you are Demonland, joy,  despair, ecstasy, vitriol, hand wringing all in the same minute

Expecting dispassionate observation?

3 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

dg, it's my opinion

i'm not going to get into a point for point drawn out discussion. it's not important to me whether i could ever convince you of my pov

i would never have brought up my thoughts on the abc if some clown hadn't initially made a statement about how balanced he thought they were

we are way off topic. this is supposed to be a thread about hl and his desire to get acknowledgement from the filth for racist treatment towards him

Why a clown? Surely somebody of a differing opinion?

Oh that's right only your opinion is correct

42 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

fyi he edited and changed his post to remove superfluous adjective

nice try saty

Only because he was 'stomped'

I don't have to try on this board, to quote Donald 'it's easy'

As for your assertion about the ABC, I now have  left leaning acquaintances saying since Ita took over, they favour the right now

51 minutes ago, Cards13 said:

They are paid a huge salary that we contribute to so follow the simple f k n rules that have been put in place for you to continue to work.

The worst part is when we lose, by a goal when ANB misses a set shot after the siren everyone will blame Kossi. 

No only a small majority of miserable whiners on this board, who actually call themselves supporters, could possibly contemplate doing that

Gee the infallibility quotient on this board is amazing

Not one person [censored] up in their late teens early twenties

Don't watch the game, another problem solved

Me, disappointed in both players, they have worn the consequences, new soldier into the team to play a team game

1 hour ago, Jaded said:

I’m even madder now that because of Kosi’s stupidity I now have to watch ANB stink it up. Bloody hell!

Don't watch, your problem solved

2 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Just Great. FFS Can’t these players read and understand situations??

You mean like isolating for 14 days, oh no, it didn't actually say that did it

Never made a mistake in your life right Mr Infallible

Kozzy and Spargo just learnt a lesson the hard way

1 hour ago, daisycutter said:

because you made class system behaviour seem to be a white racist trait

black, brown, yellow, white, etc class systems work in a similar fashion..........that's why i pulled you up

He is entitled to post an opinion/perception, it's only where opinion is stated as fact, which happens quite often on this board, that a person should be challenged as wrong

It also depends on your definition of class system

White racists/supremacists believe they are a class above, particularly above anybody with a brown skin, perhaps that it was the poster was alluding to

Eddie McGuire is a racist, has the infamous runs on the board

11 minutes ago, Cards13 said:

@mods I think you’ve let this one get out of hand. It’s moved well out of a discussion of Heritier and his issues at the pies. Might be time to clean up the comments. 

Why is it out of hand, the treatment of HL, the media, various politicians, are all part of the bigger picture of systemic racism in Australia

24 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

You mean a poor attempt at humour on a serious subject, truly inspiring, I don't know which one of you is the worst

If I was ET,  I wouldn't leave his day job or home for that mayyet

Now gather up your Kahunas and answer my assertion

8 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

I wonder if he consumed too many mushrooms and hallucinated everything? 

Is that your excuse, sad that you have added nothing to this important debate, more fool me for expecting it

Just now, Moonshadow said:

Saty?

Slightly better than acting like one

You haven't answered my assertion about point scoring, but I didn't expect anything less

Find it amusing demanding I attend a rally after berating me door attending one

4 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

So no, you don't support the cause. Sad really.

The Trump method of interpretation, pity you have to point score on an important issue such as systemic racism

Think it says more about you than me

14 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Anyone going to the refugee rally planned for this weekend? Or don't you support the cause? 

I support the cause of legitimate refugees, unfortunately their case has been tainted by 'economic refugees' unlike USA, the systemic racism in Australia has not been tainted by riots or looting

I support the legitimate refugees in other ways, the refugee rallies I have attended in the past have been hijacked by extremists from both sides with their own agendas

Something that didn't happen last Saturday

Oh no!