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ANB has an inbuilt instict for where the goals are. We've been crying out for years for mids with this ability. If he can make a full time transition to the midfield, he will be very useful when resting forward. For too long our resting mids offered nothing when in the forward half.

Just took out a lifetime membership. Its all money right?

I hope that scenario is wrong also. Who wouldn't? Im just expecting something closer to that, than execution by hanging.

Oh come on Nash. Pointless going to extremes, and thats an extreme, and you know it. Of Course a death threat to the PM would be treated differently. Do you seriously expect anything less?

"Its in the hands of the Police, and as such we cannot comment further. Our Leadership group has met with Dustin, and explained to him in no uncertain terms, that any future repeat of this behavior will not be tolerated. Dustin has agreed to make a financial contribution to (insert womens foundation), and we see no need to preempt the Police investigation. We hope all RFC supporters will turn out in force for rd1, and support our team" Im tipping something like that.

Im all for him being suspended for a good number of weeks, but jail time is maybe a bit over the top, considering the stuff that warrants no jail time at all. The AFL could end this pretty quick, with targeted drug testing. Test the loon out of the game. But no, they wont do anything like that, because it affects the brand.

Doubt it very much daisy. Any form of Police punishment will be trotted out by R.F.C / A.F.L, as a reason to NOT further punish him, or at least mitigate the punishment, as it will have been dealt with "through the courts" High profile AFL player = exemptions that the rest of us would be unlikely to see.

And we will be served platitudes, and crocodile tears from all with the power to actually dish out a punishment, because martin is a high profile AFL player. There is a reason why the major players take so long to come out and say something, and that is because they need to find the right way to "spin" the incident/punishment, like he is being nailed to the wall by them, while he walks away with a puny ban/fine. I'm even more sickened by the reports that people are afraid to report him, because of his "connections" Low life scum then, obviously?

I posted an epic about helping 900+ poor kids get life saving drugs, wheelchairs, operations, etc etc, and you get the same likes for a 1 word post. *sigh*

They might have been told to expect exactly that. Remember that danky thought he was more clever than anyone else. It never takes long to see a big difference, if you hit the gym hard, and eat right. But, someone, anyone from the players group, or families, should have checked further. That's the first ringing bell. It was all secret, even during questioning. ding ding ding ding!!!!!!

But that was the entire point of the program SWYL, therefore they may not necessarily have instantly known that they were taking illegal PED's I do however think that you would be incredibly naive to think that they had no idea, if they decided to keep it a secret from ASADA though.

To be fair to PaulRB I think he is saying that if found guily, they should be suitably punished? Is that right Paul? I just think you are overlooking the fact they have attempted a cover up. Doesnt that suggest to you that they know the drugs were suspect at least? It sure as hell does to me.

If you are in class 1, then you are not informed enough to warrant giving compassion, just as I am not informed enough to deny it. Dont let your "moral" leanings blind you to the cover up, which clearly they are. You are just as free to give it, as I am to deny, and I think you are mistaken if you think i'm upset by it. There are always people who feel sorry for cheats, but I am not one of them.

I'm not confused at all PaulRB. You said this: For starters, compassion isn't reserved for the innocent, it can be practiced on those who have done wrong, and are suffering. That said, for those who like to use rules rather than an open heart to direct their compassion, you use the idea that because the code says the players are responsible for everything that enters their bodies, therefore having compassion for their suffering should be withheld, reads like an accountant or computers response to another suffering. Would you or I have acted any different to the Essendon players in believing their club wouldn't expose them to illegal substances and the issues that have resulted? I would have trusted the club. I suspect prior to this fiasco, most players at most clubs would trust the club. The uniformity of the Don's players response highlights that they all trusted the club. And for that trust they have suffered. I've no problem extending compassion to them. Whereas I am saying that the players attempted to cover it up, which should, even to you, show that they deserve no compassion OR sympathy. Attempting to hide the use of illegal, performance enhancing drugs, deserves nothing but contempt. I really dont understand why anyone would have feelings of compassion for someone who has actively contributed to his own predicament, in an attempt to get away with something. (By that I mean the playing group)

Compassion is not warranted at all. The players had a chance to 'fess up to the drugs they took, when questioned by ASADA, but, to a man they chose to say nothing. Thats a cover up pure and simple, by any measure. Compassion is a gutless approach in this instance, and I hope CAS show none.

Precisely the same. You will be able to rely on them to protect their own income though, and thats through legal action when the player is banned. Count on it.

Clear enough. Thanks for that mate.

Most punchable head in the history of Australian Rules Football. (maybe equal with eddie mcguire)

If anyone decides to sue, and lets face it, the player managers and their lawyers will be sniffing an easy payday here so its a given, then the people suing MUST spill the beans. Guilty verdicts mean the real truth is extremely likely to emerge. Yay.

Chris, I actually think most who are debating with you, are actually of the same opinion as me. That is, why take ANY risk with essenscum, that didnt have a huge potential upside for us. Think of it this way. If Jake gets boned, we have lost. Not a huge amount on face value if you are only judging it by Melksham missing a seqson or so, but it needs to be considered against the alternatives. 1: We use the pick to draft a kid who goes on to be a star. 2: We use the pick to draft a kid who goes on to be a dud. 3:Essedon use the pick to draft a kid who goes on to be a star. 4: Essedon use the pick to draft a kid who goes on to be a dud. Yes, obviously other alternatives, but lets keep it simple. At this stage, the "best case" for us, is that we end up with an average player, who is not banned, and who is a regular starting player, but is never a star. The only club that has the ability to get a star out of this is essedon. And its us who carry 100% of the associated risk as far as WADA goes, which many of us have been saying for the whole episode, looks grim for the players. The only risk that the accused performance enhancing drug cheats carry, is did they choose the correct player, and will he thrive in a drug free environment.

Thanks daisy. But the new Demonland site itself, is the one that tells me i cant upload more than 340kb or something.....im confused.

Likelihood x Consequence = Risk Extremely high likelihood x low consequence = Mid to low "risk" Extremely low likelihhod x high consequence can still = low risk. Its a simple principal, and you are quite correct in theory. I think what most are arguing here, is that it was quite stupid of our club, to enter into any risk that involved the accused drug cheats at essenscum.There just doesn't seem to be any upside for us. In fact, the club that stands to gain the most, by far, is the accused drug cheats.

Why cant I load more than 340k of pics. Thats hopeless. Wont even let me load more in a new post.

Can you people please, for the love of god, put that idiot on ignore. He destroys every single thread that he posts in. Its unbearable.