rjay

16 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Are we sure Fullarton is still out until April? He seems to be advancing fairly quickly with talk he’d play some minutes on Wednesday?

He could be a chance for round 1 or 2 (17 or 23 March).

The other question is are we sure Verrall  can’t play round 0? No expectations he’d play more than about 50% game time (30% ruck, 20% forward) but is he an option? 

 

I would play Verrall ahead of Schache.

Definite option for me...

1 hour ago, titan_uranus said:

Hunter

Not sure he was a good list decision.

Forms been ok but...

did we need to go down this path.

5 hours ago, binman said:

A lot of talk about culture of late.

The culture of any organisation is not tested when you're flying. 

It's tested when under pressure and there are internal and external shocks.

Let's see how ours stands up this season.

I'm not so bothered by the culture 'bin'...

I always find that talk a little flimsy with all clubs.

Of course if we don't perform well on field this season then the C word will be all over here and the media.

It's going to be a tough year.

We are 5+ down before we start the season.

2 will not be back.

2 are pretty much done for, Tommy and BBB.

Melk is out for at least half the season.

Who knows how things will pan out for Clarry.

Petty can't get on the park.

It's going to be tough, good culture or not.

List management might be an interesting discussion.

There have been some puzzling decisions the last couple of seasons.

22 minutes ago, Garbo said:

Dogs 2016 doesn’t compare as that was out of nowhere,

So was ours...

No one expected us to play finals let alone win it.

2 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Our list has been continuously overrated by anyone who thinks we are a super team.

Agree...

Many on here have fallen for this one.

It's a good/very good list as you've pointed out, we were never a super/generational team.

To many holes.

4 minutes ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

Brisbane lately - multiple top 4s with one grand final appearance and no wins.

Might be the greatest no hit wonder...

11 hours ago, Demonland said:

Notable absentees: Harry DeMattia,

Has he played an AFL Game yet?

Notable seems a bit of a stretch.

1 hour ago, 58er said:

No. Give him a chance they all develop at differing levels. Start looking at his pluses not the negatives. Most can be worked with. 

I will give him a break as he has had an interrupted preseason but will need to get a wriggle on.

...but will need to show some good signs this year.

2 minutes ago, Demonland said:

Jefferson still raw

Raw, and maybe not quite right?

6 hours ago, demon3165 said:

Well one would have thought you try different things when teams get run on's that's what practice is for.

Maybe we thought other things were more important.

6 hours ago, BangBnagBang said:

We know McVee can do that job, moving him onto Bolton would have shown us nothing. Now Goody knows Howes is a long way off it and Howes know what he needs to do to play on a player like Bolton.

This is a good point.

He certainly struggled, be interesting to see if he gets another shot against Carlton.

With Brayshaw & Salem back yesterdays performance puts him further down the order.

33 minutes ago, Demonised said:

10-12 weeks, realistically, means 2925 for him 😞.

Will be 923 years old by then...

...and they reckon Geelong have an ageing list.

5 hours ago, beelzebub said:

We don't need him. 

We do need a fit Petty, It's why we held...

...at least for the next few years.

6 minutes ago, 58er said:

You know what JVR is thinking Cycl really or you presume  by looking at him?

A little bit like your presumptions on Goody...

8 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

we can’t afford much to go wrong.

That's the same for all clubs...

Luck plays a bigger role than most give credit to.

On 09/02/2024 at 15:09, Diamond_Jim said:

So our AFL season starts on 7 March and our first VFL match is 24 March (after 3 complete AFL matches)

Glad to see the mickey mouse comp aka VFL continues.

Add in the usual 3 byes and the wild card round just for fun

14 hours ago, old dee said:

It's a joke DJ.

5 minutes ago, picket fence said:

A Basket Case of a comp, until the AFL clubs ark up and demand an AFL standalone reserves comp, this cretanous crud will continue!🤮

I get everyones frustration (it frustrates the hell out of me also) but my guess is as the AFL pushes it's season earlier and earlier there are just no grounds available for VFL & this would be the same even if it were an AFL reserves comp.

It's still cricket season.

34 minutes ago, Tim said:

Yep.

 

This is what worries me. We are comparatively a boutique club, but still should be able to make the best of that by being more proactive about fan engagement. 

Absolutely 'Tim', a boutique club needs to be smart and in the area of fan engagement we're really dumb.

The current board and management to my view are riding squarely on the coattails of Peter Jackson.

When he moved on we needed really forward thinking, smart people to take the rebuild and then push it to the next level.

Have the club seen as cutting edge, an exciting club to be involved with and support, not weighed down by conservative management.

This hasn't happened.

We seem bereft of ideas...

4 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Schache should have played. 
at least he could move and compete. 
For him to be a fresh player in the 2nd half and not be rotated once was unforgivable in my opinion 

That's been the issue...

Yes, he would have been fit to compete

...but he hasn't been competitive

Would he have come good in a big final?

I guess those that should know thought not

22 hours ago, binman said:

All very reasonable points.

Why has the club not communicated to member's and fans why the club has decided not to have a stand alone family day this year, something that is immensely popular among young fans and their parents? 

If the reasons WCW has noted above are accurate, why not communicate them to fans and members?

Instead all i can find about the family day is the short article on the MFC website WCW links above dated 31 January, with this headline, sub headline and opening two paragraphs (I'm not sure about others, but i didn't get an email with any info). 

Demons launch Family Series

It will be easier than ever for Demon families to get their footy fix in 2024.

'MELBOURNE’s family day has been super-sized in 2024 to include three epic family events, kicking off with the Demons taking on the Tigers in the side’s first inter-club match simulation of the year. 

The Demon Family Series, presented by Beyond Bank, will feature events stretching from Casey Fields to Gosch’s paddock, making it easier than ever for Demon families to get their footy fix.

 

Personally  i find that disingenuous at best, dismissive of fans at worst. And i expect better from my club. 

I mean, c',mon ditching the super successful family day that people look forward to and claiming it has been super sized?

Super sized? What does that even mean? It certainly doesn't mean a bigger family day event with more free rides and activities.

What i assume they mean is they have split family day into 'three epic family events' that make it 'easier than ever for Demon families to get their footy fix in 2024'

C'mon, i get enough spin in advertising without my club trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. 

The three supposedly 'epic events' are:

1. Demon Family Match Simulation at Casey Fields, with: seven-quarter match simulations (that little kisd wont sit through), signing opportunities (after the players have played 7 quarters of footy?), kids' activities and partner giveaways
2. Demon Family Series April School Holiday Open Training at Gosch's Paddock or nearby location, with: players training (? like wow - they do that twice a week), signing opportunities (after the players have trained?), kids' activities and partner giveaways
3. Demon Family Series July School Holiday Open Training, at Gosch's Paddock or nearby location, with: as above

Perhaps i'm out of touch as my kids are young adults now, but when say they were 6 or 7, it would have been a lost cause convincing my kids any of those 'events' were 'epic', let alone actually getting them to go.

And we had all three of those 'epic events' last year - in ADDTION to the family day. 

Easier than ever for Demon families to get their footy fix? Please.

Casey is total non starter for any one with little kids who lives anywhere but in the south.

Again, my kids are young adults, but i live in West and the thought of packing up two little kids into the car for a 3 to 4 hour round trip to watch seven quarters of footy at Casey and bounce on a jumping castle swaying in the Casey wind gives me cold sweats.

 

(To be clear WCW i'm in no way knocking you or the quoted post. And i'm not trying to make you a spokesperson or proxy for the club. 

I love how supportive of the club you are. You have worded your post in a really balanced way that provides the reasons behind the decision not to have a family day without dismissing legit concerns about that decision. 

I've quoted you because in relation to the focus of this thread - the clubs poor comms - your post is very useful in terms of highlighting my concerns about the club's comms to fans, and in particular to members )

1 hour ago, george_on_the_outer said:

This is what you get as a Collingwood supporter:

https://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/fans/events

Family Day, meet the players, intra club match

And this is what their CEO sends to members, even changing times so that the fans can get access to their players, and avoiding the clash with Taylor Swift:

Welcome to season 2024 and we hope you enjoyed the holiday period with those closest to you.   Our 16th Premiership win is a moment in history we will always remember, success that was made possible by our Club’s 19th player – our Members and supporters.   At December’s AGM we announced our Club’s Vision is to Paint the World Black and White with our underpinning Club Purpose To Connect, To Win and To Grow.   We will continue to build on our connection with you, our fans, on and off the field. As part of this, we want to provide some key updates ahead of the 2024 AFL Premiership Season.   COLLINGWOOD FAMILY DAY AND SEASON LAUNCH – FEBRUARY 14   We are pleased to inform you we will hold our annual Family Day and AFL Season Launch from 4.30pm on Wednesday, February 14 at the AIA Vitality Centre and we look forward to seeing as many Members of the Magpie Army attend.   Players will take part in an Intra Club match before the guernsey presentation of our 2024 AFL team together with representation from our women’s, wheelchair and second-tier programs.   Initially, we wanted to hold this event on the Friday however due to the number of people that will be in our precinct with the Taylor Swift and Matchbox Twenty concerts that night – we made the decision to hold our event earlier in the week.   We hope you recognise we want to ensure the best and safest experience for our Magpie Members and their families.   OPENING ROUND – MARCH 9   The Opening Round sees our Club kick off our season against the GWS GIANTS and we look forward to seeing the Magpie Army out in force at GIANTS Stadium. For fans based in New South Wales and for those travelling to the game, we look forward to connecting with you in Sydney.   AFL ROUND ONE + FLAG UNFURLING – MARCH 15   We cannot wait to see the Magpie Army fill the ‘G as we unfurl our 2023 Premiership Flag for the first time when we take on the Swans in Round One. There will be a hive of activity pre-game with a March to the G from the AIA Vitality Centre.   For Members based outside Victoria, we will host Watch Parties across the country allowing the Magpie Army to gather together in multiple cities across the nation.   FOOTBALL DEPARTMENT UPDATE   As we announced in December, Graham Wright will be taking a well-deserved break from March to September. This has allowed us to work through how our Football Department is set up and allocate responsibilities to key leaders within the department.   Working closely with Craig Kelly, General Manager of Football, Coaching, and Leadership Brendon Bolton will step up and oversee the men’s football program and be the point of call on key AFL matters.   Head of Football Strategy, Innovation and List Management Justin Leppitsch will take on additional responsibilities relating to list strategy which will see him work closely with the Club’s Head Recruiter Derek Hine on recruiting and list management.   General Manager Football Operations and AFLW Clare Pettyfor will continue to oversee the operations for both football programs.   Our recently appointed AFLW Head Coach Sam Wright has commenced in his role and has hit the ground running working closely alongside Head of Women’s Football Jess Burger on ensuring our women’s football program builds strong foundations for success ahead of the 2024 season and well into the future.   MEMBER AND SUPPORTER EXPERIENCE   Collingwood supporters are like no other – we show up, we cheer loudly and we help our athletes perform. In 2023, thanks to you, we were the most attended and most watched team in the AFL competition.   We know that while most people have a great time watching and attending the footy, there are areas we can improve on as a Club and we are working hard to ensure the best possible experience and engagement is available to all our Members and supporters across the country and the world.   Some initiatives we are working on behind the scenes in 2024 will lead to more insight and content from within our four walls, an improved match-day experience, improved membership support and new events for fans to share ideas and feedback.   For Members, we have listened to your pain points and we are working hard to eliminate hurdles and barriers when it comes to ticketing, access and general membership enquiries.   We look forward to seeing you at events and games across the country this season.

Craig Kelly Chief Executive Officer

The club could really learn al lot from Taylor Swift...

Now they're probably not going to get an audience with her or her people but that could track her career from the start.

Her fan engagement was 2nd to none.

It's why she is so successful and has such a rusted on fan base.

Her talent of course helps, if she was a no talent no amount of fan engagement would help.

...but she did is so well.

We really are wasting a golden period for the club.

The management needs to be brought to account on this.

4 hours ago, rjay said:

Of course she's good 'picket'...

You don't have her level of sustained success if you're not.

2 hours ago, picket fence said:

Ahm Gary Glitter??

I said sustained success 'picket'...Glitter has had nowhere near the career.

She's been topping the charts for over 15 years now.

Personally I don't like stadium shows at all...much prefer more intimate venues with musicians really playing, taking chances and not just regurgitating the record.

She''s not my cup of tea is Taylor but the girl has got a load of talent.

'@hardtack', you just reminded me of this after mentioning Ian Hunter on another post.

He released a new album last year...84 yo, this was the first song released (Ringo on drums). Reckon it would have been a hit back in the days when such things existed. It's a strong album with lots of interesting guests and the title Defiance - Part 1 hints of more to come.

3 hours ago, picket fence said:

I'd be flat out knowing any songs she sings, is she actually any good?

Of course she's good 'picket'...

You don't have her level of sustained success if you're not.

Be interesting to know why???

She's here 16th 17th & 18th...

The only work day is Friday.

I don't think the shop would hinder the sound check.

Is it some kind of merch deal? can't sell any other merch apart from Taylor stuff over a given time?

Looking at the fixture if both clubs are top 4 then your a good chance for a Friday game.

...but C/Wood are away to GC so I wouldn't be surprised to see them take the game. The poor little...don't travel much.

Carlton/Richmond is another if they are up and about.

...but being Carlton, the AFL seem to love them on a Friday night even if the aren't.

Someone said the club monitors this site.

Pity they don't take action in a positive manner.

1 minute ago, Whispering_Jack said:

A couple of points here:-

• Daniel Turner would be entitled to be upset at being left out. 

• Will Verrall was not a mid-season draftee. He was taken with pick No.14 in the 2022 NAB AFL Rookie Draft.

Christian Salem - Battled a thyroid injury

injury????

Also wouldn't have thought Tholstrup was a needs based selection