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I dont think Greens year was as bad as some have said. 37 goals from a medium forward is a good result. Its his 2nd best goal out put in a year, in his career. This was in a year the whole forwardline was woeful and he had to contend with many issues as a player and captain No KPF to feed off. Playing on the best or 2nd best backman. Jurrah was the only forward who was dangerous enough to take the best backman. According to champion data he is in the elite category for his position (top 10% in the leaugue). His conversion rate (goals to behinds) was very good. 25 behinds. inside 50's was one of the worst in the league. Dated game plan. Defensive pressure was woeful in all parts of the ground. Green should not take soul responsibilty for this deficiency. Imploding board, Administration and FD. No-one had boundaries and stayed within their roles. Cant blame the captain for that. Especially when very experienced leaders/managers within the club imploded. Idividuals in his own leaders group stuffed up big time too. IMO Greens stats were good as a player. It wasnt his best year and it wasnt his worst. But he did perform well. I dont think anyone can judge him as captain as the club fell over in every dept. Barassi, Flower, anyone would have struggled under the same circumstances.

Cheers RR

Very impressive interview. Did i read somewhere McLardy was not a Demon supporter? I think i read he was a Carlton supporter and he knew Jimmy from the Reach program/board. Not making any aspirtions he and the board are doing a fantastic job

Thanx for the reports guys, much appreciated. I went to training last week and was hugely impressed by Jack! His skills and class was a stand out. He will be fine!

Good luck to oooozay. I have lots of great memories watching his class and grace over the MCG. Just a word of warning to the hawks, keep him well away from the handball drills and skills. He aint that good as a handballer. Woeful in fact. Great left foot tho

Great story 3031. The great man has a very good heart

RDB has recently said publically, that his heart lies with the red and the blue. Its a shame he left and was so successful at 3 other clubs. Otherwise he would have been remembered as a demon only. Just like Teddy Whitten will be remembered as a bulldog and a big V man!!

After some research i saw RDB was in the AFL team of the century. He must of been good and i will take my dad to task next time i see him!!! This makes me think (getting back to the OP) that his defection must have been bigger than i thought. An all time great! Scully pales in comparasin. Despite the circumstances maybe its time to move on from Mr Moneybags Scullywag

As usual its subjective. My dad isnt a Demon supporter. Not sure that means anything either way. In regards to accolades David Neitz reads well too 2 x all aust (one as CHF and FF) 1 x Coleman medalist Club games record holder Club record for most games as captian Bluey Truscott 2002 7 x club goals record Aust rep State of origan rep Club champion but not elite in the AFL

My dad also told me RDB playing stature grew after he retired. In his playing days dad rated him a very good tough player, not a champion player. Some of the older posters can clarify this. A club premiership captain trumps a talented 30 game no 1 draft pick player every day. In level of importance to the MFC that is. RDB is a club champion to 4 clubs, MFC, Sydney, Nth and Carlton. I consider him a VFL/AFL champion

According my dad it was huge at the time. A premiership captain who left to captain coach carlton and for money. I would say it would be bigger in todays age, i would think.

The Campbell Brown of posters. Always attacks the man and never the ball. ANGRY individual!! If age is the point of difference, Green is a shoe in. Beside 2 individual awards from previous administrations, denial of injury plagued injuries and assessment of who is the man and who isnt, i would not, do not, take the word from Lutz who shows no leadership qualities him or herself

A balinese massage? Does that mean a massage plus? Lol, surely not for mr holylier than now. Maybe for $ully snr. He wouldnt need to work hard or move a muscle

I dont see any reason for GWS to lie. $cully is their marquee player and they will milk any newsworthy item they can. They need the media attention to create the following for long term survival. I see two big question marks on $cully's long term AFL capabilities. His injury and his ability to play with the big boys. Everyone knows his athletic abilities, and in an under age comp, he had AFL standard athletic abilities playing against boys. This made him the elite junior. I doubt whether he can transfer this against men with the same athletic abilty as he lives in a boy's body. I believe he will be out-muscled and tagged out the game. His foot skills are average too. He will become a good AFL player but not elite. So an average, young No 1 draft pick player left the club. So did Barassi, Healy, Wells and Alves. They left for $$$$ and/or success too. I think they were bigger loses than $cully in their time. Too much energy wasted on the boy i think. Regardless of the circumstances.

Again, very good post. At the end of the day MN is still very much respected regardless of pointing out an aspect that some may have disagreed with. Im of the opinion that his media performance is improving. No BIG tough guy comments. I love the changes he has made. It feels like he has bought the FD into this century. I hope (and believe) he is the 'messiah' until he proves otherwise.

Lutz You seem to me to be an angry person who likes to attack ppl and personalise things. I will correct my mistake.

I agree, it seems strange. A contradiction possibly

It was my first time at training too. I have to say im off to the optometrist as my eyesight is not good and I had a lot of trouble identifying players. My observations were: Very difficult conditions today. Very windy and rain/hail toward the end of the session. Skills were very impressive particulary by foot and marking considering the tricky wind conditions. Skills dropped off after the rain, understandably. J Rawlings was a strong presence more so than the other coaches (from the Swan Street end) Rehab group doing laps or sprints, Tappy, Trengrove, Williams, (all doing laps at a good pace), Lawrence (i think) and Jetta (doing sprints toward the end, although the former two participated in the main group too). The Russian was training away from the group at the end but may have participated with the main group? One drill was 4 mids recieving the ball on the back flank/wing, 4 opposition mids (3 front on, 1 from behind) pressing. The ball recieving mids were to run hanballing to team mates or run thru beating the press then kicking long to the KP forwards. The first 3 attempts were not good, Rawlings called the group together to discuss the bad attempts and afterwards the ball moved nicely thru the press. Most nearly all kicks into the forward line were to advantage. I have read in previous yrs the skill level was not great. This was not the case. Kicking thru the wind, reading the ball thru the air to mark was spot on, although there was not a lot of defensive pressure in most drills Watts was a stand out. As previously said, bigger and he looks like a KPF. He moves gracefully and his skills standout. I wasnt keeping an eye on him but kept looking as his class/skills stood out. He had a presence out their too, eye catching! As a whole the body shape of the players is bigger. Blease has built up considerably, Trengove has continued to build, Tappy is massive in his upper body but his legs look they need building (maybe coz his so big up top). Williams is a big unit. To me on game day Beamer always stands out with his body size but not today. Although he is a big unit in comparison but not such a stand out in size. Bate has fined down overall in size and looks like a midfielder I couldnt help but think they were like race horses, big but finely trim althletes. I was nicely surprised to see Sellar control the ball below his knees. He seemed very comfortable in this area The session wasn't gut wrenching and Collingwood were on Gosch's paddock next oval over and were still training after I left and the dees had finished. If I can think of anything to note I'll post later.

IMO left footers never seem to have a good right foot (green is an example) but they get away with it as they turn to their left foot instincfully. Whilst right sided players turn right instincfully and defensively. Bates biggest problem is his agility as a midfielfer. He needs a big turning circle to get on his left foot, thus needing more time. The opposition will work him out easily. I hope im wrong and he can use his build to his advantage. Im just know him as a forward

Lol, funny post. Not sure why? Probably cause its true

Humiliation - pick a word and run with it, forget the context! Why some think they are able to speak for the club without conection is mind boggling

Its easy to see you were coming from a good place! Keep up the good work! Kudos to you

Thanx Footynut Its good to hear Sylvia has been given a talking to other than his drinking/partying acts. And via a method i agree with ;-) lol. For others im talking/hoping its about his playing performance. The man is a potential star!!

I have to agree, why Jack and Aaron? Many more come to mind (Sylvia screams out!). It seems to me these two guys did not have a 'blank canvas' and had pre conceived images. IMO Jacks development was good in 2011. No-one will ever know how Jack received the public naming, or how his colleagues interperted it. Aaron too

Public Humiliation is a term commonly used in the sector i work. It means any statement of negativity of an individual used in the presence of colleagues. Im not sure if it is used in other sectors. I agree its a strong term, its in my vocab and i use it without thinking how its interperted. Oopps. Still its frowned apon in my world. I havent seen MN talk on camera or live and base my opinion from print. As ive said previously thats how i base my opinion. But hey, overall im excited for the clubs future. The structural changes, new appointments and MN's impressive coaching history, he just needs to transfer his skills to a AFL senior position and thats not a given yet.