Undeeterred

1 minute ago, Vineytime said:

Pedo is not popular amongst the playing group, would be surprised if he is on the list next yr...

Says who?

11 minutes ago, faultydet said:

haaaaaaaaaa.

 

Didn't even realise my own boo boo.

 

Well spotted Un

Took me 5 or 6 beers. Why are we both on here at 9.30 on a Saturday night anyway?

13 hours ago, Mach5 said:

Pedersen was dropped for selfish acts and pulling out of contests.

My personal view only, after tearing my hair out multiple times over his efforts last week.

He adds value to the side, but I don't think he'll be around a lot longer because he doesn't play the "right way."

Are you serious? Sorry, were you watching?

You're usually ok, but this is complete rot.

On 8/19/2016 at 7:38 PM, ProDee said:

We have been quite good, but also had our worst loss for the year in the wet (Sydney).

Yep, fair cop.

On 8/19/2016 at 6:07 PM, faultydet said:

Reckon Pedo is stiff.

It's possible that its because I haven't seen anything other than the highlights though.

Did he do something wrong, or are we just keen to see more of Weeds?

Oops.

7 hours ago, Bossdog said:

3 years ago, Misson stated that it would take 3 years to get this team to AFL fitness, a lot of posters had a go at him and some very nasty comments have been made over the three years

This year has been the least amount of injuries that the club has had for as long as I can remember.

Misson was right.

Didn't he say that at the start of the Neeld years? Or am I making that up?

That would make it 5 years ago, no?

2 minutes ago, Nasher said:

The AFL would be packed with players in that position, surely.

Interestingly, that's the second time in a few weeks this topic has come up - someone was talking about their mate at St Kilda who thought the same thing...

I hadn't thought of it before that, but I guess it makes sense really. You're right, there must be a lot of them!

22 hours ago, Die Hard Demon said:

is anyone else worried about rain playing a part in keeping Carlton in this game? 

Nope. We've been very good in the wet this year (Hawthorn, Port games come to mind). We've mastered the art of getting it forward at all costs a la the Hawks. If it's wet we will smash them even harder.

49 minutes ago, Uncle Fester said:

Sorry for not getting back to you asap, but I had to give some kids poisoned apples and kick a couple of puppy dogs.

Look, it's not irrelevant if I like his playing style or the trade. We got dudded. Collingwood got rid of an ordinary player with one or two tricks, and now we are paying his super fund.You can have all the love ins you want about him, but to me he is always going to be a NQR Collingwood reject that talks a big game and offers little. The sooner he retires the better it will be for the kid whose spot he is taking.

This gave me a laugh.

I can totally see where you're coming from, I just think people are conflating two issues. One is what they think of H as a player and the 'value' we got from him, and the other is the reaction to his playing career surely winding up soon.

I think this thread is the time and place to discuss the latter, rather than glorying in how your feelings about the former justify you potting a bloke at this particular point in time, and in these circumstances.

We don't have to agree.

4 minutes ago, Uncle Fester said:

Aww geez, now I have to be sensitive? I'm glad you weren't next to me during the Essendon game when I yelled at him to get the @#$% off the ground, and never wear our jumper again.

 

I don't have to like every player, and I don't have to like every trade. I don't rate him, and hated the trade. But here we are. We have a precious VFL player on a long contract. Yay! I'm excited.

 

You don't have to be, you can do whatever you like. But both your initial post and response show your character!

Nobody's demanding that you like the bloke, or the trade, that's irrelevant. 

16 hours ago, Uncle Fester said:

Didn't rate him in his golden years at Collingwood, and rate him less in the red and blue.At the best he has been servicable, but mostly he is a laibility. Run, run, run, run into trouble and boot it to no one. If he never plays another game I won't even notice. Just another NQR from Colling@#$% we won't miss or even remember ten years fom now

A remarkably unnecessary and insensitive post. What drives you to feel the need to express this sort of opinion in these circumstances?

1 hour ago, KC from Casey said:

VFL player review: round 19

Some real understatement there. 

Jack Grimes has his second 40 disposal game in three weeks and he gets this:-

"I thought Jack’s game was really workmanlike."

Really?

I saw that. Amazing really....

Jack Grimes: Jack had 42 possessions, 10 marks, three tackles, nine inside 50s and kicked 1.2. I thought Jack’s game was really workmanlike. He continues to play at a really high level and standard at VFL level. His work-rate and ability to be involved in the game, from a defensive point of view and from a contested point of view, enabled him to get his hands on the football and make really good decisions as well.

Matt Jones: Matt had 41 possessions, six clearances and five inside 50s. Jonesy, for the second week in a row, has been huge. He seemed to be everywhere on the weekend and he certainly provided us with a lot of run and quality ball use. Matt played with real speed and played like an AFL player at VFL level. It was a high quality performance.

Pretty clear which of them is going back up when there's a spot.

I'd rather eat all my shoes than watch those [censored] teams at that [censored] heap of a stadium

25 minutes ago, AdamFphlebeb said:

So you're saying it's all about development, not recruiting?

Gysberts, for example, was a poor recruit because he wasn't a contested bull and he didn't have the right attitude. No amount of development would have made him a star, IMO.

I'm in the it takes good recruiting and development to make a good player camp.

I think what I'm saying is that, to PaulRB's original point, just because players look good in their first year or two doesn't make them good players. 

They are just good young players until they're good older players, or not.

35 minutes ago, hardtack said:

Last I heard was that players earned promotion to the ones by performing consistently well at Casey. JKH has done exactly that by accumulating high numbers of possessions and kicking goals in recent performances (best on ground last weekend I believe?). So if Garlett is not fit to play against Carlton, then why shouldn't he get his just reward?

He's had about two games back at Casey, and we have about 8 other players who have been consistently picking up 30+ touches in the same games, and have much better form over the rest of the season.

Not that hard to work out, I wouldn't think.

4 hours ago, Adzman said:

A shame. Players have a way of going up a gear against their old mob. Hopefully whoever comes in can get the job done.

If Carlton really are into JKH it might be worth showcasing him against them to try and drive up his trade value.

Sure, with finals on the line, blow the cobwebs off a guy who hasn't played all year.

5 hours ago, radar said:

Not great timing. 

I switched from Hawthorn. 

Oh, mate.

13 minutes ago, PaulRB said:

My point was about this years crop being a good sign. Your point was about the 2008-2013 period (now revised to 2008-2011), and the validity of the RS nom as a talent indicator... 

I'm not really getting your point, or what you think we're "debating" here? 

 

Rising star nominations still on list C Garland, J Grimes, J Trengove, J Garlett (@ Blues), J Melksham (@ Dons), TMac, D Tyson (@ GWS), J Viney, A Brayshaw, J Hogan, C Petracca, C Oliver, J Harmes, OMac.

Aside from the first three on that list who appear to be struggling, it (the RS) seems a good pick of top 22 talent. 

You said the fact we had lots of nominations this year meant the recruiters had been doing a good job.

He is saying we had more nominations in a period that has proven to be one of absolutely shocking recruiting.

His point therefore is that nominations do not equal good recruiting. It just means that young players have been good both times.

The difference, in my view, is that this young crop will be developed properly, whereas the 2008-2011 crop got their nominations before they were Melbournised.

2 hours ago, PaulRB said:

Can we really be that sad given whose face Harvey smashed...? 

Karma, and may more players feel encouraged to treat Mitchell likewise.

Well, sure, but why is it ok that these peanuts are allowed to get away with this? Bernie Vince wafts an elbow within 5 feet of someone's face and gets rubbed out. These guys (including Mitchell last week) are allowed to make contact to the face, and nothing happens. It irritates the [censored] out of me.

Another sacred cow gets away with deliberately smashing someone's face

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-08-15/mrp-simon-tunbridge-charged-twice-boomer-avoids-ban

[censored] you Boomer Harvey and [censored] you MRP.

7 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Spot on Ted

[censored] Carlscum for eternity i say

How do you feel about Essendon getting pick 1, just out of interest?

2 hours ago, jnrmac said:

I agree wholeheartedly with this. Watch them pull some names out of a hat? Brisbane had a win as did Ess. McDonald Tipungwuti?

 

Rd
1	MELB	Clayton Oliver
2	ESS	Darcy Parish
3	CARL	Jacob Weitering
4	WB	Caleb Daniel
5	SYD	Tom Papley
6	STK	Blake Acres
7	MELB	James Harmes
8	GWS	Jacob Hopper
9	MELB	Christian Petracca
10	PORT	Darcy Byrne-Jones
11	FRE	Connor Blakely
12	FRE	Lachie Weller
13	HAW	James Sicily
14	STK	Jade Gresham
15	GC	Peter Wright
16	SYD	Callum Mills
17	ESS	Orazio Fantasia
18	NM	Ryan Clarke
19	COLL	Darcy Moore
20	WB	Josh Dunkley

Gee there's some talent on that list.

On 8/14/2016 at 11:16 AM, ProDee said:

Players with Hunt's attributes are often soft.

He's not.  At all.

He's surprisingly hard at it for such a quick bloke. Almost the complete package really, good mark, loves a goal etc.

26 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

King escaped suspension, you could hear the crack from the other side of the ground.

I was 15 rows back in the members, right in front of it. Was disgusting.

Our point differential with North is only 49 now....